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  • #858264
    Chelsea
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    Help! 2 babies 16 days old. This morning the boy was lethargic and wouldn’t eat. Completely unlike him. He was hard to wake up. So we rushed him to the vet. Had to do the kitten cpr thing, rubbing their backs vigorously, the whole ride to vet. He gave saline-glucose injection into his stomach cavity, 20cc
    Then gave a small tube feed. Prescribed antibiotics just in case. He has been up and down. Seconds away from death twice.
    He has been on my chest all day. But refuses to eat. I am trying my best to get him to eat. He gets maybe 1cc in every hour or so. He usually eats 10-12 cc every 3.5 hours.
    He is dehydrated. His urine is pretty noticeable yellow.
    I am going to the vet first thing in the morning for supplies to tube feed him at home. I was dumb and said no when he offered to give me the stuff because I didn’t think I could do it right.

    They have both been PERFECT up until yesterday morning. They both had fecal float. Came back negative. I know this isn’t my fault and it just happens,but there HAS to be something I can do or try.
    I am so attached to these babies. They are like my real children and I am completely heartbroken.
    I want to do absolutely anything to keep him going.
    Guys I really need help. His breathing isn’t good. I know he probably won’t make it. But I just cannot give up on him. I cannot let him die.

    #858265
    Chelsea
    Participant

    I am hand raising g them btw. Since day 1.

    #858270
    Kittyzee
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    I know the heartbreak and the worry you are experiencing. Just keep doing what you are doing, if they should die from FKS, there is nothing you did or didn’t do that will prevent it. A seemingly very healthy kitten can die from it. When they are lethargic, rub some karo syrup or honey on their gums and then try to get some milk into them. I would also switch to goat’s milk, as it’s full of probiotics and helps with their immune system, and you won’t have to worry about constipation. I am posting a couple of links for you on hand rearing kittens, they have helped me immensely in the past. Good luck–keep us posted!
    http://messybeast.com/handrear.htm
    http://www.2ndchance.info/orphankitten.htm

    #858285
    Chelsea
    Participant

    Okay update the girl is also sick. Not dangerous yet. They are both on antibiotics. I started tube feeding the boy because he wouldn’t swallow. And he look alot better. Still not active, he is alert when he is awake. Both going potty okay. It they have fevers. The boy has been between 100.5 and 103.4
    Girl between 98.8 and 101.
    Very scary temp for the boy. I cool them down with a cool wet washcloth when they get super high.
    The girl has continued to gain weight, though the boy has lost 12 grams today. And didn’t gain anything yesterday. But he got 20 cc of fluids yesterday. So I’m not sure if what he is losing is water weight.
    His belly looks a bit distended to me. But I am monitoring it.
    Vet said to put them back on kitten formula. I originally had them on goat’s milk. So I am going to slowly put them back on goat’s milk.
    Vet said to give 5cc every 2 hours. I usually feed 12 every 3.5 but he was worried we will explode them. But boy has lost weight so we are upping food next feeding.
    Thanks for the support. We are hoping to pull these babies through.
    Boy weighs 288 grams.
    Girl weighs 298. The boy used to always weight more than the girl

    #858292
    JerseyJoan
    Moderator

    Hi Chelsea – sending lots of good vibes your way. You are awesome for doing all you can to help these babies, they wouldn’t have made it through day one without you.
    Normal body temp for cats is around 100-102.5. (Temp in newborns is about 97.) Scary temp for the boy indeed. Make sure when cooling him he doesn’t get too cold – kittens that young cannot regulate their body temp.
    Best of luck to you with these wee babies.

    #858313
    Chelsea
    Participant

    His paws were very hot. It was very scary. But the antibiotics have kicked in. Their temps are under 99 now.
    I am doing tube feeds. And the boy is now gaining weight back. He eats about 2ml, and then I tube feed the rest. The girl is eating about 7ml. And I tube feed her the rest as well. Both get 11-12 ml every 3.5 hours.
    I am keeping track of their temps and weight at every feeding so I know what’s going on. But they are feeling so much better today! I don’t want to speak too soon, but I think they are going to pull through just fine!. They are still not as active as they were, but they are walking around now and being very alert. I will keep an eye for the next week or so while they are on antibiotics. And then some afterwards.
    They even had the energy to do a photoshoot today. breathing is back to normal too.i am definitely thankful for this miracle.

    #858322
    Kittyzee
    Participant

    Wow, things definitely sound like they are on the upswing! Hope things continue to go well–hand rearing kittens is no joke. Keep us posted!

    #858325
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Chelsea,

    You have done everything for the well-being of your kits and paws crossed they continue to respond to your gentle care.

    Thank you

    PG

    #858328
    Lasha
    Participant

    same problem! I also have 16 days old kittens. one of them lethargic and refuses to eat. I give him the electrolytes (he refuses formula, but devours electrolytes) to avoid the dehydration. every pharmacy should have one.

    The day before yesterday I gave him 1 ml electrolydes every half an hour in 24 hours. He got much better. Today he refuses to eat again and once again I gave him eletrolytes.
    Only I don’t know if this is the solution really (electrolytes contains glucose).

    #858334
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    If, at any time, they seem lethargic put a dab of Karo syrup or honey in their mouth. Many kits don’t like the taste of KMR or kitten milk but they do like Goats milk. I recommend getting the Goats milk concentrate and mixing it with the pedi-lyte. This way he’ll get food and the electrolytes. As KZ said, the goat’s milk is full of probiotics and helps with their immune system. Also, you won’t have to worry about constipation.

    PG

    #858368
    Chelsea
    Participant

    Lasha our situations sound very similar. Milkie wouldn’t eat milk. But would drink a little bit of Pedialyte.

    I would recommend antibiotics. My babies ended up having g bacterial infection. Vet said if one has it, they can all get it and all needed to be treated just in case. He was right. My girl started getting sick the next day. But luckily the antibiotics started working before she got too bad.

    Also tube feeding. The vet can give you a tube. It’s not as scary as it sounds. And it helped my baby live long enough for the antibiotics to start working. Wich was 36 hours.

    I know not everyone brings their kittens to the vet, Because kittens passing is such a common thing, but our situations sound so familiar that I think it could definitely benefit.

    My vet gave me the smallest bottle of antibiotics, it was 45$. Kinda pricey to me. But he said it was enough to treat 30 kittens. So that’s a plus if you have alot of kittens. they can probably all be treated.

    #858369
    Chelsea
    Participant

    Lasha our situations sound very similar. Milkie wouldn’t eat milk. But would drink a little bit of Pedialyte.

    I would recommend antibiotics. My babies ended up having g bacterial infection. Vet said if one has it, they can all get it and all needed to be treated just in case. He was right. My girl started getting sick the next day. But luckily the antibiotics started working before she got too bad.

    Also tube feeding. The vet can give you a tube. It’s not as scary as it sounds. And it helped my baby live long enough for the antibiotics to start working. Wich was 36 hours.

    I know not everyone brings their kittens to the vet, Because kittens passing is such a common thing, but our situations sound so similiar that I think it could definitely benefit.

    My vet gave me the smallest bottle of antibiotics, it was 45$. Kinda pricey to me. But he said it was enough to treat 30 kittens. So that’s a plus if you have alot of kittens. they can probably all be treated.

    #858370
    Chelsea
    Participant

    I don’t know why my kittens still aren’t eating enough on their own. I thought maybe they just didn’t like the half kmr half goat. So I switched to full goat. And still didn’t eat much. The girl eats 8ml. And I have to tube feed her up to 14.
    The boy eats 1-2 ml. Then tube feed him up to 13.5 he weighs a little less)

    So I guess I will keep tube feeding until I figure out the problem.

    I think next feeding j will just feed what they will eat, and then wait until next feeding and see if they eat more??

    Before they got sick they were eating 10-12 ml. So its weird they do not want to eat more than that.
    For their weight the boy should be eating 14ml. And the girl should be eating 15.
    But I am worried I am going to over stuff them.
    But I guess they haven’t exploded so far..

    I have them go potty before and after eating, in case they weren’t eating because of full bladder, that wasn’t it…

    You think it’s because they re still recovering??
    I meant … They are fine now other than not eating enough

    #858372
    Lasha
    Participant

    The main problem I have is that I live in the third world country (Republic of Georgia) where you have a hard time to find the experienced veterinarians (not that there are few) and a serious financial difficulties of my own. 45 $ antibiotics are out of question for the moment. I’ve called 3 veterinarians and every one of them said that I’m doing everything right and they can’t do much about it anyway providing that kittens are so young.
    Two of them even wondered why I was giving the sick one electrolytes (I’ve heard about them on the net myself).

    Next problem is that I can’t find kitten’s formula. I’ve contacted the zoo shop (the biggest in the country) and they said that they got only this: https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Facana.com%2Four-foods%2Fregionals-cats%2Fwild-prairie%2F%3Flang%3Din&h=ATOOQhdk_-bT2c8A68FrAvA_pZf0U2vLxEV9qMEcQShChQflRmOPbx8UxWvzvuww-jXwKVCzWlsvW–3tXfxQvI3Vx6Il4alX49l-FmVOYY1bdHlVD4B7IEcSF8KL4a53LwU5hGr
    (which obviously is not for the 2 weeks old kittens!).

    And sadly what I’m feeding them is the formula for orphan babies, I mean human formula (mixed with boiled and a little cooled water). (I have a dog 3 years old, which I’ve raised with cow milk. I hadn’t idea that it was dangerous for her. But it worked!).

    So you suggest me that I must purchase the goat milk (I can find one I guess). please when you have a spare time write down how and with what should I mix the goat’s milk.

    p.s. Today’s situation: the sick one is still sick, refusing to eat. He defecated twice though (in little quantities), seems more alive than yesterday. I’m forcing him to eat. His tongue seems to be a little white.

    here’s photo of him:
    https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/18136665_1307979905917657_1219540816_n.jpg?oh=5297f9844b833b80d04a7d1c541fe070&oe=59017C82

    #858375
    Chelsea
    Participant

    I personally used powdered goat’s milk found in the baking isle. 4 TBS to 3\4 cup water or Pedialyte.
    I have heard the evaporated works, but don’t know the mix ratio. I started mine off on the regular pre bottled in the dairy section just how it was and they did just fine as well.
    If vet’s won’t help you, I guess you are doing everything you can do.
    I don’t know where you live, but they may sell some antibiotics at feed stores or petstores. Mine are on amoxicillin.

    The little Kittie is very cute and I hope he makes it!

    #858376
    Kittyzee
    Participant

    http://messybeast.com/handrear.htm

    In the link above is a recipe for making ‘kitten glop’, a nutritionally complete food if you cannot get goat’s milk or KMR. Most of these ingredients you will probably be able to get. In these links we post, we do it to help people hand rearing kittens. THEY ARE WRITTEN BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAND REARED KITTENS AND KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO DO SO. You don’t have to be afraid to try these recipes, tactics, as they have been tried and they work. The reason I say this is that (I think) sometimes people needing help think that an internet link is a cop out–they need real advice and they need it now. But it’s senseless to keep typing instructions on what to do when they are already available. I have used this link so many times–I don’t know what I would have done if it hadn’t been available.
    I hope you can get these ingredients to feed your kittens. Don’t feel bad about vets not helping….many vets in the US don’t know much about new born kittens either!

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