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  • #49093
    tanttan
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    Hi,

    I have a 12 week old kitten (male). He shares the house with us (two adults and 4 children, -3,4 and 12).

    The kitten was very playful and happy until a few days ago.

    A few days ago he started to snarl at the kids for no reason, he had his paws out and just randomly started to snarl.

    The kitten sees me as his mother as i am the one that feeds him etc.

    He has snarled at me too and even scratched my arm deeply.

    Now, when he has these episodes (which we have only had 3 in the past 3 days)he then goes back to normal.

    Now, i know he isnt hurt as when he is normal i have managed t pick him up, play with him and then felt his bones for broken bones etc… all was fine, he didnt scream or anything like that.

    When i play with him he is normal, starts purring when he is with me etc.

    The problem is i am NOT sure what to do about his temper.

    I have isolated him away from the children. I dont want any of my kids to be hurt and i am acting for their safety first.

    Can anyone give me some advice on this please…?

    Thank you

    #706374

    Do you think there is a chance that one of the younger children perhaps hurt him? Not meaning to, of course, but in some way may have scared him or pulled his tail or hurt him in some manner?

    Has anything changed in your household? Did you have company?

    It may be normal, it may be he is started to feel his hormones (when is his neuter scheduled for?).

    Others with more experience will be along. It is rather slow here on the weekends. Glad you came to us. We’ll help you find a solution!

    #706375
    tanttan
    Participant

    HI

    To be honest the kids love him to bits and they wouldnt pull his tail or anything else.

    We have not had any visitors come over so no one could have hurt him in anyway.

    He hasnt been neutered yet but will get him done soon.

    Example, if lets say he was hurt would his agresive behaviour be the same with everyone..? Including me, who he thinks as mummy…?

    And, if lets say one of the kids has pulled his tail, would the kitten show him aggression for ever or do kittens learn to forgive ??

    Thanks

    #706376

    They will forgive (takes a cat longer than a dog, though!). I put a tag up in pink at the top called socializing. You may find some threads that are helpful there. I haven’t had a kitten for so long I really can’t be a lot of help. Hopefully the more experienced folks will be along soon. Sadly the weekends are sparse here. Hopefully the pink tag will help a bit.

    OH! And Welcome to TDK!

    #706377
    tanttan
    Participant

    Hi, Thanks for your help…. i guess every little peice of advice helps at this stage.

    Thanks

    #706378
    ladysky61
    Participant

    Did one of the kids accidently drop him? Or step on him? What is his body language when this happens? Is his tail wagging? Ears back or front?

    #706379
    Nirmal
    Participant

    i had a kitten who was the sweetest thing, and one day just snapped. she became the black cotton fluff from hell. ur kitten could have been frightened by something else even, other than the kids that u don’t know about, and it traumatized the kitten. do ur best to give the kitten space and let the kitten warm back up to u again. forcing it won’;t make things better.

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    #706381
    jcat
    Participant

    I’d take him to the vet right away. A sudden change in temperament is a big warning sign that something could be wrong. I know you’ve looked him over for broken bones etc but it could be something internal or an abcess you can’t see and didn’t manage to get near or an infection.

    If there isn’t anything wrong, it’s not a wasted journey since your vet is a good person to talk to about behavioural problems. He may just have got a sudden fright that he will get over but I’d still want to rule out anything physical first.

    #706382
    JerseyJoan
    Moderator

    Pre-neuter hormones might be a factor – they’re raging for him at this age! Make sure you mention this to the vet when you take him, which can be any time now. Many vets do some bloodwork a week or so prior to neutering to make sure nothing else is going on. There’s a good chance he will be upset with everyone, even his mum. My 3 1/2 year old girl kitty gets mad at my 1 year old boy kitty and if I’m right there she will hiss and swipe at me too!

    Good luck – remember, kittens = patience, patience, patience!

    #706383
    tanttan
    Participant

    Hi – sorry for taking ages getting back to all your replies.

    My kitten has been played with by the children, hugged, picked up etc etc … the normal stuff.

    But this has always been done with an adult in the room and never at any stage did the kitten snarl or go defensive with the kids.

    When i go to stroke him he does start to purr and his ears are up and tail sometimes does twitch.

    He eats cat treats from me too.

    What i found is that he isnt his playfull self. Sits on the window ledge looking out or asleep.

    His appeitite is normal – eating kitten food and drinking kitten milk and water.

    His poo and wee is normal too.

    Like Nirmal said above…. if my kitten has been tramatised i do need to just give it space but still be there for him.

    How long in general would it take for a kitten to start behaving normally…?

    The reason i ask this is that my two children enjoy playing with the kitten and wont really understand if they are told not to play with him anymore and i really dont want to isolate the kitten either.

    Is there anything else i can do to help my kitten…?

    Thank you everyone…

    #706384
    jcat
    Participant

    Yes, I really would take him to the vet. A sudden change in temperament can and usually does indicate something physical is wrong. A kitten gets over a fright pretty quickly usually, you need to rule out physical ailments or problems first. I realise he is eating and pooping normally but he is not behaving normally and he is sounds like he is fairly lethargic in comparison to his usual self. I hope he’s fine but you need to rule out anything physical.

    #706385
    tanttan
    Participant

    Hi, I dont think it would be any physical injuries that would show changes in his behaviour.

    For the past two days he has been fine – ‘normal behaviour’…

    I just think its a moody kitten thats all….

    Thanks

    #706386
    Patara
    Participant

    It could be a random trauma. One of my cat, when he was a kitten, he was very friendly but one day he was playing around and got his paw caught in a groove of the kitchen table legs that tapered down and started twisting around and crying. I remembered trying to get to him to pull him out because I was afraid that he was going to break his arm, but he got himself out. Then he ran off, but after that he became really scared of everything and would jump and every little noises. He associated my friend (whenever he sees him with that event and would always runaway from him). It took a really long time, but eventually he became normal again and very friendly towards people and other animals. He’d always have that slightly scardy cat personality though but not as extreme. Like I remembered when they were fixing the roof of my house, that cat would be hiding under the blanket even though it was a very hot day. He was afraid of the banging sound on the roof. My other cat didn’t care at all and was just fine.

    Since your cat did scratch you pretty deeply, you might want to make sure that his nails are trimmed and maybe put the kitty nail caps on just as a precaution, so he wouldn’t be able to hurt your children

    #706387
    tanttan
    Participant

    Thank you for your reply Patara… I found out the other day that the kitten was actually abused by one of my neighbours,they picked him up and threw him down the stairs and then locked him out side as i was away.

    NOW the kitten is very cautious and scared.

    I am NOT approaching him all the time. Im just giving him his space.

    But, when i do approach him its always with treats. Bascially, im trying to gain his confidence.

    To be honest, over the last week there has been a massive improvement in his behaviour. And like you said Patara, it will take time and patience thats all.

    One more question…. i think he dosnt like using his cat litter tray so wee’s on my ‘bean bag’….

    But apart from that alll is good…

    Thanks

    #706388
    jcat
    Participant

    OhmiGod, how appalling, what a ****** of a neighbour, I would be reporting him to the cops and the complex manager at the very least. Violence towards animals is so often an indication of other violence — towards kids and partners, for instance. If he does that to animals, what is he doing to his kids?

    Are you SURE no damage has been done to the kitten? I am going to say this again, once only, I would want to take him to the vet to get him checked out and x-rayed.

    This thread on how to help an abused cat may help you: http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/12527

    And for the peeing outside the litterbox (beanbag seem to be preferred places for many kittens to pee, unfortunately, including one of mine):

    http://www.petplace.com/cats/inappropriate-elimination/page1.aspx

    His reluctance could be related to his trauma. I would suggest getting a feliway diffuser to help him settle. You can also spray feliway onto the beanbag after cleaning it with an enzymatic cleaner (eg Nature’s Miracle) to tell him that this is not somewhere we pee. There is also an additive called ‘Cat Attract’ or ‘Kitten Attract’ that you sprinkle on the litter which many TDKers swear by. Also, is the litter highly scented or could it be that he doesn’t like the smell or feel of it? Have you changed the type you use recently? Are you cleaning and scooping the litter box enough? Check the pink tag ‘litter box’ for previous threads on this subject. If all else fails, talk to your vet about it.

    #706389
    tanttan
    Participant

    hI

    I have removed the bean bag from my main room and now my kitten goes directly to his litter tray.

    He is still very quiet and not very sociable. Likes to sit in the window and stare out.

    If he does goe out he runs and hides outside and dosnt come back until its late. Sometimes, he dosnt come back until the next day.

    Not really sure what else i can do to calm him down and regain his trust…?

    I have tried him with treats and new toys etc but he is still very remote…

    Lets see what happens…

    THanks

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