A second kitten, and a whole new set of terror. (Slightly long, I'm so sorry)

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    Ashley
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    (I’m so worried, my fingers are shaking, so this is probably really long and really rambly incoherent – I’m just trying really hard to get in all of the pertinent info because im scared and I’m stranded without a car tomorrow – family wedding that the kittens got me out of, and my vet is closed on Sat&Sun – so the earliest I can get them in is monday morning. I tired to condense it into bullet points at the bottom).
    I posted about my first kitten three days ago, and today a neighbor found the mother dead in one of his cars, very recently dead we think, and there was another kitten, still alive cuddled up to her. The mother looked very, very, very young and so small – and she was a cat I’d never seen. She doesn’t eat in my yard, because I put out food for the ferels and strays and I go for super rich, high calorie when I know there’s a pregnant girl around. Since I talked to him a few days ago when I was looking for the mother, he brought the other kitten to me.

    It’s lower legs and tail had poop on them, a decent amount, so I cleaned it up really, really well, got it warm – fed it a bottle and put him with his brother. He ate really well, so much better than my little claw-happy Viktor – latched right on, sucked his milk down, burped like a champ, but I couldn’t get him to pee.

    He didn’t eat a lot at the second feeding, and wouldn’t pee again. And Jesus, i tried while still being as gentle as possible (incase his little butt was sore).

    I also noticed that his breathing is slightly faster than Viktor’s – not super fast or super shallow, but a little bit faster – and that his belly was hard and very, very round. I held him from about 7 to 10:30 (I only put him down for a few minutes to feed V, also tried to feed Brahm, but he still didn’t take very much. Tiny bits, and he seems to want to chew on the bottle with the sides of his mouth instead of suckle, now). Upon inspection, on top of his breathing and hard belly, his teeth are just about to poke through (he also chewed my fingers often, and since he doesn’t feel good, I let him).

    Around 10:30, I put his down in the crate, and almost instantly, he stood up and screamed (honestly, my blood ran cold), and his back end went rigid – it was only the smell that kept me from having a heart attack – i realized pretty quickly he was pooping – and that it was painful. He pooped out a tiny, hard pellet, and kept straining – and the only thing I could think to do in my panic was fill up the sink with a little warm water and massage the sides of his butt softly until it came out – which it did, Thank God. One pretty long, skinny hard, dark brown tube tube – followed by an equal amount of tooth-paste soft greenish brown poop (similar to Viktor’s poop that he has no trouble passing). He also peed a river, so so so much pee (he probably couldn’t get it out because his butt was blocked up). I got him clean, got him out and tucked him inside my shirt with his towel so I could dry him really well while giving him my body heat. I got him completely dry and fluffy and soft when he took another tiny poop… still against my chest – loved that. Cleaned him up with baby wipes and dried him again and held him until he fell asleep. He purred, snuggled, rolled on his back and did the cute feet and hands in the air thing that I’m in love with. He also no longer cries when I touch his belly – he purrs, very very lightly, but it happens.

    I finally tucked him back in his box by the heating bottle, and he slept for an hour and a half (he was exhausted), woke up, cried and made the little nursing sucking sound. He ate really well, perfectly, actually. He peed a tiny bit and didn’t howl nearly as loud – just a nice, squeak-toy meow. He’s now sleeping like a perfect angel and has been for a while. His belly is still slightly firm and round – but so was Viktor’s until he pooped yesterday. However, he’s still breathing slightly faster – and that terrifies me – even if it’s not super rapid or super shallow.

    Basically:
    – Constipated Kitten with a hard, dry stool that required both straining and crying followed immediately by two much softer stools.
    – Sore butt, probably both from straining and from being left to sit in his own mess
    – Teething, sometimes has a reluctance to latch and suckle, much prefers to gnaw on the bottle with the sides of his mouth.
    – Cries more often than Viktor, although the crying HAS toned down since he pottyd and ate.
    – Still affectionate, doesn’t seem lethargic even though he is very sleepy from screaming for hours while this idiot right here tried to figure out what was wrong.
    – The big one: Slightly fast breathing. This is my big worry. He’s not wheezing. I saw that this could be a symptom of aspiration – but I fed him so carefully. There was no cough, no wheeze and he’s showing none of the other symptoms.
    – Lack of appetite was a concern of mine, but that seems to have cleared.
    – Didn’t pee after the last feeding – BUT that was only about an hour and a half after he peed a river in the sink, so might not be a concern.

    How bad of shape does he seem to be in? How much of my panic is valid – and how much of it is from severe lack of sleep and a probably unhealthy attachment to these little bugs? Do I need to try to further soften his poop with Karo Syrup, or should i go by the second half of the stool – the softer one, and just stick with the formula (because it has his brother pooping nice, easy stools) and let it hydrate him naturally? Also, his first pee was yellow. His second pee was a much, much lighter yellow (barely colored against the tissue). How do my chances look of keeping Brahm healthy until I can get him in on Monday morning (my vet… Jesus, I practically worship that man after one of my girls had cancer (in remission for a year), he’ll know what to do then.)

    #814504
    Buttons
    Moderator

    Ok try not to panic 🙂 it’s ok believe it or not all the info you’ve posted seems pretty normal for a young rescue kitten..

    He was probably very dehydrated if he was with mothers body in the car and no milk for a long period.. Also If she was that sick she’d probably stopped producing milk all of this would cause the kitten to develope constipation ..

    You’ve done everything exactly right.. Now she’s on KRM her stool should loosen and that tooth paste consistence is exactly what it should look like from now on.. Just feed her when she want food and stimulate her as your already doing.. It sound like they’re at the three week mark if the teeth are poking through so you can wean them in two weeks time.. Chewing is normall for teething kittens.. If your little boy is chewing a lot and his teeth are fully down I would try giving him a little mushed wet food with the KRM mixed in..

    Keep her hydrated as much as possible if your worried about constipation again add a couple of drops of veg oil to their KRM that should help move things along.. Also adding goats milk to their diet now will be extremely beneficial to their over all health and will help settle their stomachs and produce normall stool.. It adds goo gut flora to their digestive system ..

    So please don’t worry.. She’s eating, crying , producing stool and peeing that’s all very good.. Some kittens with only produce a stool sample once every three days when they’re this young and have had a rough start.. Also fast breathing can be normall in very young kittens.. If you notice open mouth panting for longer than half an hour then a vet might be needed..

    #814515
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Good Morning Ashley,

    Take a deep breath, exhale and again. As Buttons said you’re doing fine so don’t panic. It’s wonderful how you care for these babies. If you weren’t their guardian angel, they really wouldn’t survive.

    #814518
    Kittyzee
    Participant

    Congratulations! You just saved these babies lives! Like both Buttons and Pussigato said, I think you have done a wonderful job! That last kitten was surely dehydrated, so it’s not surprising it didn’t pee for a while. Massaging it in warm water to get it to pass stool was a great idea, by the way. The goat’s milk is the best thing you can do for both of them IMO. I have raised a kitten on it entirely, is non constipating and doesn’t cause diarrhea. Keep us posted on your kittens and how you are doing and RELAX, you are doing everything right!

    #814522
    Ashley
    Participant

    Hey! I have an update on my babies, and it’s actually a really good one, although it doesn’t seem that way at first. Things got really, really bad before they got better – but they did get better. I had a night of hell and a morning that has, so far, made up for it.

    I fed the babies at 1am. Brahm took about 5ml of formula, cuddled, and went to sleep. At 4am, I woke them up for their next feeding, Viktor first because he’s easier and faster. When I woke Brahm up, he was almost completely limp, lethargic, could barely open his eyes and he wouldn’t even chew on the bottle. The most I could do was alternate cuddling him and getting little drops on his tongue for him to swallow. I tried to convince myself that he was just exhausted from the miserable day he had – his mommy died, he was trapped in a hot car on a hot metal frame, hungry, constipated, milk switch, bad poop, screaming for hours and zero sleep. I decided to let him sleep for another half hour – which was miserable. He wouldn’t cuddle with Viktor, he’d wobble off to a corner and lay by himself and I’d read that was a bad sign. From four to six, I alternated between half hours of letting him sleep and ten minutes of trying to feed him – and I was having no luck and the panic was setting in. All I could think of was Fading Kitten Syndrome. I was convinced at this point he wasn’t going to make it until morning, and I was just praying that if he couldn’t make it, he’d go painlessly – and that was the worst feeling ever. I laid him down, intending to continue the same routine, praying that eventually he’d wake up hungry and when I picked him back up, he felt much too warm. I immediately thought fever – and got up to get my thermometers – which i keep in a bag with my medicine syringes (because by this point, I was dead set on force feeding) and I could not find the bag. I looked all over my house, and I could not find it, and that’s when the tears started – and they didn’t stop until I passed out. I have no experience with cat fevers, at all – I do, however, have experience with infant fevers – so I went into auto-pilot and did the exact same thing I’d do with an infant if I were stranded with no medicine. I took cool water (not cold, just slightly under room temp) and just kept alternating damping his paw pads, ears and forehead with cool water, and broke those up with periods with body heat inside my shirt (which I wouldn’t do with an infant, but i didn’t want to go from fever to chills – i was seriously improvising) AND IT WORKED. I didn’t think it would, but if there was a fever – I broke it. He was still lethargic, still limp, but his body felt normal temperature compared to Vik’s, and that was what I needed. I was determined to get food in this kitten if it killed me.

    I grabbed a hot plate and a sauce pan of water to heat my formula, a cooler for the can of milk and bottle between drops and I locked my meathead out of my bedroom and I sat there on the floor for two hours straight, feeding him one tiny drop out of the bottle at a time all while he was tucked in the collar of my shirt. I’d stop every few minutes and stimulate him (he peed twice) or burp him or rub him down with a dry washcloth like a mommy tounge – but there was no change at all and I was devastated. About 8 am, I was so tired I almost dropped him – so finally, I had to put him back in his box. I had to sleep for a minute. I laid him down next to his brother and he dragged himself to the corner, and that’s the last thing I remember. I was 100% convinced I was going to wake up to a dead baby kit. I fell asleep curled against the stupid cat box.

    And then at 10am, they woke me up. I just heard yowling and yipping and squeaking and I sat up in a panic – expecting the worst – to find two kittens standing up as much as their wobbly little legs would let them, rolling around with eachother, yipping and biting each others ears and paws and just climbing all over eachother and rolling and kicking. Playing. I opened a new can of formula, and I went for Brahm first (because I had fed V several times through the night), and it only took about two minutes for him to latch on with his mouth, wrap his hands around the bottle and when those little ears started wiggling… He drank 5ml in two drinks at 10am, and so did V. He peed without any fuss and then he just started cuddling. Rolling around in my hands, kneading my chin with his little claws, licking my face, rubbing his head against me.. And sqeaking with a nice, healthy voice. We cuddled for a bit, and I let him chew on my thumb (and for a kitten I thought was dead a few hours ago, he’s got a ferocious little bite. I know I’m not supposed to let him bite me. I know. But after the night he’d been through, he earned it). I put the sleepy kitties back in their box, and they woke up and told me they were hungry again at noon, and both took another 5ml like it was nothing. His breathing had even slowed down – so that when he’s laying up against V I can see them breathing in unison.

    They’re both asleep right now, cuddled up against eachother. They wake up occasionally to nip at eachother, or cuddle and roll around or give eachother little kisses and they conk back out. But when they’re awake for those seconds and I reach down to pet them, they’re both wide eyed and alert and sweet, so for now I’m hopeful that the worst is over, but I’m definitely going to spend the day being hyper-vigilant.

    Thank you guys. So much, you have no idea how much your responses (and the info I’ve found here) have meant to me. If my boys make it – it will be because of what I found here.

    Also.. I did mange to get some super adorable pics of my little loves if anyone wants to see. =]

    #814527
    Ashley
    Participant

    Link to the little photo album I started for the boys.

    #814528
    Kittyzee
    Participant

    Wow, that was one dramatic story! Had me by the edge of my seat. I’m impressed by your vigilance and intuitive knowledge…btw that can’t be beat. You went with your gut and you were exactly right! Your vet (IMHO) can’t tell you anything more you could have done I would think. Most vets have never hand raised kittens and especially kittens like yours with special and unique problems. Strays and ferals like their mother have such a hard time scratching out a living and finding food. It’s so sad that she died the way she did after giving birth, with a baby with her in a hot car. If people would only spay and neuter….
    You are a born rescuer. There just isn’t a better or more exhilarating feeling than doing what you did and waking to find the kittens squeaking and playing. It’s a feeling that rolls up from your soul and you feel like you could scream and shout! Then you cry. And feel humble. And realize what kind of fighting spirits cats/kittens have. Good job!! Now you can relax a bit (I hope) and get the rest you deserve. Again, try the pasteurized goat’s milk, it can be found in the milk cooler in groceries or Walmart, or canned condensed milk in the baking aisle at Walmart or other groceries. Keep us posted, I can’t wait to hear more good news!

    #814531

    I love the photo album!

    #814532
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    As Kittyzee says I’m am impressed with your knowledge on how to care for your wee kittahs. Viktor and Brahms are adorable and look so cute, sleeping together. They are in good hands!

    #814541
    Buttons
    Moderator

    Scary stuff!! So glad they are both feeling better..

    #814669
    Ashley
    Participant

    Thank you guys, for all of your kind words. <3 We had our first check-up this morning, and it appears that my kits (who may actually be a boy and a girl, according to the vet – Brahm might have to actually be Mina) are as healthy as can be expected. They are right on target weight for their age and growing like weeds, hitting the right milestones and being sweet as sugar. The vet was almost as smitten with them as I am, gotta love a vet who loves your animals. They do have worms (to be expected), and my vet said if I insisted, he’d worm them today – but since they had good appetites and are gaining weight steadily, that it’s his personal preference not to worm babies with human moms quite so early and add a potential strain to their systems if it doesn’t seem to be an immediate cause for concern. He said if weight plateaus for more than 48 hours to bring them in, or if anything else seems off and he’ll start them on wormer, barring that, he wants to do it as soon as about half of their food intake is solids.

    And after that dramatic night, it’s been pretty uneventful: Eat, play, cuddle, sleep, repeat. I did have one panic moment where I got scared by REM sleep twitching of all things after a play session that went a little long, and instantly woke them up to suck a drop of karo off my fingertip (and as soon as they tasted it they no longer minded that I probably woke them up from a really good dream about they playing they just did), but I felt really REALLY silly afterward.

    Kittyzee, I did buy goat’s milk and I’m going to give it a try as soon as the can of formula I’m on now is finished and I’ll let you know how they like it. And yes, I feel terrible about their tiny little mama – guilty too, actually. I was so focused on V that it didn’t occur to me to try to make her a nest. I mean, I have some cat-igloos out near the back of my property line that the queens usually drop their litters in so I can try to socialize the kits enough for TNR, but it looks like this queen either didn’t want to be near the other cats or was scared off somehow. Poor baby.

    Pussygato, YES, lol, they are so precious when they pile up on each other constantly – and they wake up occasionally to wrestle, but they’re still wobbly, so it looks like they’re just hugging and rolling and it’s the cutest thing I’ve ever seen.

    #814671
    Kittyzee
    Participant

    Ah good news Ashley! I like the idea of waiting to worm them until a bit later. So good to hear that they are doing well and playing and just generally being sweet kittens! I loved your album btw, they are adorable!

    #814673
    Jeankit
    Participant

    Warm welcome to TDK Ashley!
    Aw, thanks for the purry furry care you have shown to wee ones & queen kits. Plus the pix of newbie wee ones as share shows that yes, you are
    a wise & good “meowmy”. Please keep us posted of kits’ purry progress!
    Here is another link on raising kittens that has been shared many times on TDK…always great to find out more about raising kitties:
    http://messybeast.com/catarchive.htm

    You can type in word on search above right pink box to fine more helpful previous chat/links!

    #814677
    katzenjammer
    Participant

    Hi and welcome Ashley!
    Want to see pics? More like needed to see pics LOL. Nearly passed out from the sheer cuteness of these two teeny babies!!! You are awesome and seem to have a knack for raising these little ones. 🙂 Could be my literary bent but do I hear a theme going with their names?: ie Viktor (like in Shelley’s Frankenstein); Brahm (like Dracula author Bran Stoker), or if girl, Mina (like Mina, also in Dracula). If I’m totally off track, just chalk it up to my all-but-useless Eng. Lit degree and fascination for horror/supernatural fiction.

    #814680
    Ashley
    Participant

    Katzenjammer, that’s exactly it, popular classic horror lit names. I was thinking either Mina or Lenore, but ended up settling with Mina just because I like Mimi as a nickname. 😀 I have tons of pictures of them I’ve snapped on my phone of cute little things they do in their sleep, mostly, but I’m going to try to get some more during the next playtime today and update the album if I don’t have my hands full of baby kittens, it seems they like to play with me as much as they like to play with each other – which is totally fine by me, I’ve never gotten to hold babies this young for longer than it takes for a quick eye wipe or the like, and I’m definitely enjoying the infant kitten phase.

    #814681
    katzenjammer
    Participant

    KJ here (again),
    Lenore, like in E. A. Poe, ie the Raven and Nevermore! But Mina is a sweet name too! My kit (in avatar) also has literary (and sorta horror) connection. He’s a silver grey tabby so I named him Dorian Gray Esq. after Oscar Wilde’s (evil) character. Strange, my kit stays young looking, but the many pics that I have of him do not seem to be aging LOL. I have always called him Dorry, but it is fun when I’m at vet for annual check-up and his “formal” name is called and peeps in waiting room stop and give me a “look”. LOL. Having your hands full of playful kitties sounds real nice!

    #814682
    Ashley
    Participant

    Oh, I love Wilde, and that is the perfect name for such a beautiful silver boy! He is stunning, and I have a huge soft-spot for grey kitties, i think they’re my favorite. I wish I’d been more conscientious about choosing my other kids’ names. My meathead (he’s not fat, just a big, solid, thick-necked, beautiful tom) I found just barely older than these (maybe – he was so malnourished, it was hard to tell his age, but he went straight to solids with a teeny bit of KMR to mush it up) and I (foolishly) named him Mouse because of his teeny tiny scrawny little body and squeaky voice, completely ignoring the fact that his feet and ears made him look like Bigfoot and a fennec fox spawned a kitten (he was the oddest looking kit I’ve ever seen – I though he was gonna grow up to be the cat version of a chinese crested – he was probably the closest thing to an ugly kitten that’s ever existed). So, long story short, when he got tall and long enough to stalk like a mini-panther and dwarf small dogs, Mouse became Moose easily enough. And the most adorable part is, he still has the squeaky little kitten voice.

    #814684
    katzenjammer
    Participant

    Happy tail as to how Mouse became Moose! My first kit (and first pet ever) who is now playing in the Meadow and was my BF for 12 yrs was officially named Dominick as he was a black/white tuxie who looked like either a Dominican friar or as a colleague mentioned a dominatrix, only male. Always called him Nicky, though LOL. But if fortune ever brought me a boy kit who was found in a satchel at a train station I would be compelled to name him either Earnest or Jack. 😉

    #814716
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I’m glad everything worked out. Wow! Taking care of these kittens reminds me so much of having a newborn. Work, work, work and worry, worry, worry!! LOL

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