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  • #812700
    Farah
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    Hello everyone

    first of all thank u for this website and I hope I can find the help here
    Please understand that I can’t access a vet due to security situations here in my country so I have to find alternative treatments for my kittens
    On June 26th I found a kitten , about 3 weeks old , thrown away with no mother, I took her in and tried to feed her home made kitten formula ,after about two days I found her sister , starving and dehydrated and barely moving, I took her in as well and for a day or so she would only drink water and nothing else,after that she started to drink as well

    Now , I started giving them some solid food with their diet (Small bits of boiled chicken and once small bits of raw fish , once) and the problem is the first one has developed a rounded belly out of nowhere and her stool is yellowish and very little while the second one (The starved one) has began to poop more and has become skinny somehow,and she eats very little, and her stool is also yellow and soft,

    Please tell me what I am doing wrong?also a note, they are very inactive, and hardly play for kittens their age.

    Please help me. I can’t take them to the vet and tried all i can to help them but I worry sick

    #812704
    Kittyzee
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    If you can get some pasteurized goat’s milk or goat’s milk yogurt your kittens will benefit from it. I’m sure they are eating solid food so any good cat food at this point would be great, wet or dry for the nutrition. It sounds like they may have worms which they would need to see a vet to get a prescription. You could also try to get worm medicine online for your kittens. Please don’t think that you are doing anything wrong, you saved these little babies and are trying to give them the best start you can in their little lives. Sometimes even with the very best of care and vet checks, little kittens still die. Without a vet having seen them, I am only guessing about the worms. There could be other reasons for their lack of play and swollen tummies. Keep us posted.

    #812724
    Farah
    Participant

    As a precaution, I gave them a dewormer and am trying to give them liquids more and will change their diet. They are worrying me.also a neighbor of mine gave me her kitten’s formula milk but when I mix it with water it doesn’t mix right,and a small layer of the powder forms at the top. but when I shake it it disolves and doesn’t smell like the cow milk im used to. is that ok?

    #812727
    Kittyzee
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    Most kittens/cats are lactose intolerant, meaning cow’s milk upsets their tummies and gives them diarrhea. I don’t know how old the kitten formula is, but in your case it might be better than the cow’s milk. The powdered formula does take extra minutes to dissolve in water, and it doesn’t smell like cows milk, it has a buttery smell and richer thickness. Any fluids into these kittens would be beneficial. Still try to get some pasteurized goat’s milk if you can. Crunchy food soaked in kitten milk to soften it the kittens would probably eat, just don’t leave it out for too many hours if they don’t eat it because it will grow bacteria and make your problems worse. Some canned wet food if you have access to it might help, it has vitamins that the kittens need. Also, see if the kittens are covered with fleas or lice and try and get them off the kittens, they can be fatal if the kittens are covered with them. They can make them anemic by sucking on their blood. Good luck with these babies, I know you are trying as best you can with limited resources!

    #812738
    jcat
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    You have gotten excellent advice from Kittyzee above. I would only add, if you can’t get goats’ milk, there are emergency kitten ‘glop’ formulas you can make at home, they use either condensed milk or evaporated milk (the heat treatment of the cows milk makes it possible for the kittens to digest it). Also click on the pink tag ‘orphans’ and ‘messybeast’ for very good advice on bringing up orphaned babies and this set of videos on Youtube is very good, I will put the link below.

    It would be amazing to me if your kittens don’t have worms and fleas. Fleas can kill and cause anaemia so you do need to get rid of them, but at this age the best way is to use a flea comb. Or, if they are infested, a bath but you would have to take care they don’t get chilled. The videos cover fleas. Best of luck! It is very hard to raise orphaned kittens, the odds are against them and we don’t know what infections they may have inherited from their mums, so sometimes we do the very best we can and, even with constant vet care, we still can’t save them. You are doing a wonderful job and I really hope that your little ones can grow healthy and strong.

    #812739
    jcat
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    Messybeast: http://www.messybeast.com/handrear.htm

    Glop recipe from Messybeast:
    KITTEN GLOP

    Kitten Glop is a suitable feed mixture for healthy kittens and is also good for lactating queens. Most recipes refer to American brand names which are not understood outside of the USA/Canada. I have converted these to generic terms and noted alternatives.

    Ingredients

    1 envelope unflavoured gelatine
    water per gelatine package directions (approx 12 oz)
    1 12 oz can whole evaporated milk (not skimmed) See notes
    3 tablespoons plain yoghurt (not low fat)
    3 teaspoons clear corn syrup See notes
    3 tablespoons mayonnaise
    1 or 2 raw egg yolks (optional) See notes

    Notes

    If you have canned goat’s milk available, use this instead as it reduces the likelihood of lactose intolerance problems. Sheep’s milk is even higher in fat but not generally available in cans.

    Some recipes use 2 tablespoons mayonnaise, 2 tablespoons plain yoghurt and omit the corn syrup entirely.

    Clear corn syrup (e.g. “Karo” brand in the US) is a concentrated glucose solution. It contains 15% – 20% dextrose (glucose), a mixture of other types of sugar and may be flavoured with vanilla. Dark corn syrup is made with molasses and is more strongly flavoured. Glucose solution may be used instead.

    Raw eggs can be a source of salmonella. Do not use any egg white in the mixture, it can prevent other nutrients from being digested.

    Kitty vitamins and/or acidophilus are sometimes added. Only add vitamins if the diet is deficient in them – vitamins can be dangerous in too high quantities (hypervitaminosis) and vitamin imbalances affect development.

    Method

    Boil the water and mix in gelatine powder. Add the other ingredients in the following order, mixing well after each addition: half of the canned milk, corn syrup (if used), mayonnaise + yoghurt, egg yolk (if used), remainder of the canned milk. Use either an egg beater or a blender set to low speed.

    Serve the glop at room temperature or slightly warmed since the kittens will be used to warm milk. Warming the mixture makes it more pungent and therefore more appetising. Do not pour back unused portions into the stored mix as it may introduce contaminants.

    Glop sets into a jelly when refrigerated. It can either be stored in the fridge in a covered container for up to 2 weeks or frozen into individual portions in ice cube trays and defrosted as needed. Freezing it is very convenient, but it must be properly thawed before serving as cold food will cause stomach upsets in young kittens.

    For other recipes, click the pink ‘glop’ tag.
    Youtube videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctfhMJUdxZA

    Best of luck!

    #812757
    Farah
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    Thank you Jcat and Thank you Kittyzee, I am giving them water constantly and give them small bits of boiled meat and they eat them alright but the kitten whom I found starving(named her Lucy), has now a brown-reddish liquid stool and I know red is not not good. the other one with the bloated stomach (Maluce) still has her bloated stomach even thought she has a very health appetite. also, Lucy’s behind? is all red and seems to hurt her. I think I am doing something wrong and they are paying the price.
    will keep you updated.
    also is it possible that the heat is a factor as well? here the degree is 50 degree celsius and inside the house it gets to about 40 degree celsius, so maybe it affects them?

    #812765
    Kittyzee
    Participant

    Farah, please don’t blame yourself for whatever is happening to these kittens, you are doing the best you can under the circumstances. The diarrhea is troubling, but since I can’t say what’s causing it, I can’t help much. Please keep them hydrated with water and hopefully pasteurized goat’s milk. I can’t stress the goat’s milk enough, it helps kittens immensely because of it’s gentleness, it’s full of good gut flora especially needed for these kittens who have diarrhea and are losing valuable nutrients because of it. I don’t know if heat could be a factor for kittens, they need to be kept warm but it sounds very warm there.

    If you have some kind of ointment or vaseline you could put a little on the kittens behind. It protects it from moisture and will help the skin heal in between bowel movements. Maybe it won’t be so painful each time it has to go. Make sure you clean them well after they go and dry them and then put on the ointment.

    #812769
    Farah
    Participant

    Thank you Kittyzee, I have a troubling news, Lucy has started pooping the same liquid brown stool and uncontrollably and when i tried to feed her water she almost choked , Maluce is better and is playful but Lucy really worries me and she has this dull look in her eyes and just keeps hiding in her litter’s cloth folds and I can feel her bones and she hasn’t gained much weight since I found her, I know I’m troubling you but I can’t take her to the vet as its in a dangerous area .

    I have asked for a goat’s milk but is unavailable

    #812772
    Kittyzee
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    I’m so sorry Farah. Poor little things. Just keep doing what you are doing, especially with the fluids, they need it to stay hydrated. What country do you happen to be in? Please don’t think you are troubling me, I am a rescuer at heart no matter where you are located. If you were near me, I’D DRIVE TO WHERE YOU ARE AND HELP YOU!! Good luck and sending healing prayers to you. Keep us posted.

    #812776
    Farah
    Participant

    Thank you Kittyzee, Lucy is resting now, will start giving her her old milk formula as she seemed ok with it,Maluce’s stomach is less bloated and she was very playful and even started to climb the stairs. I set my clock to warn me to give Lucy water and fluids every hour.
    I live in Iraq and there is unrest here, security situation is not safe, that’s why I can’t take them to a vet.
    is it ok if i stop giving Lucy nothing but water and kitten milk for a few days?
    Thank you for your help,you can’t imagine how relieving it is to find someone who help you and listen
    Thank you and I will keep you posted for sure

    #812778
    Kittyzee
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    I would think it would be more helpful to just give her water and kitten milk. The food probably just feeds the diarrhea. Anyway, she needs the liquid to stay hydrated. Remember, sometimes even with the best of care and even vet care, we lose kittens. It’s called ‘fading kitten syndrome’ and there is no explanation for it. Seemingly healthy kittens can be fine one moment and gone the next. I know how helpless you feel, please know that TDK is here for you with many others who have tried raising kittens with problems.

    #812979
    Farah
    Participant

    Small update,
    Lucy has not gained any weight and is very inactive, just sleep alot. I know she is sick and I understand that but i fear its not normal and may hurt her as i know small kittens need exercise and they do so by playing, but she demanded some solid food yesterday and I gave in and gave her very small bits of boiled meat.
    Maluce, her sister on the other hand, is more playful and energetic and she is now using me as her climbing toy and my bed is hers and my blanket is hers as well and she likes to cuddle with me asking for warmth , her appetite is increasing and I think her bowl movement is ok.
    I am still keeping Lucy on a kitten Milk and water diet, but give her very tiny bits of chicken or meat.
    and praying

    #812985
    jcat
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    Farah, you are doing the very best you can for Lucy and even if you could get her to a vet, they often cannot help tiny kittens this young, so please don’t feel bad about what you are doing for her. The heat could be a factor, sick and very young kittens are unable to regulate their own body temperature, but they are originally desert animals (from your part of the world) and since Maluce is doing well, I suspect it isn’t really that which is the problem. I think all you can do is follow your instincts with her, feed her what she seems to need, comfort and love her and keep her safe and quiet and pray for her. Please look at the messybeast website, it may help you, if it is hyperthermia (that she is too warm), it does give some imformation on that. Bless you for being kind to these little ones, and please keep yourself safe too, it is very hard to hear of good people being in danger anywhere.
    The website again is: http://www.messybeast.com/handrear.htm

    #812986
    Kittyzee
    Participant

    Farah you are doing so well with your babies. If Lucy acts hungry, then feed her too. It’s most important when they are really small to make sure they are kept warm too. Kittens can’t process food if their little bodies are too cold. That’s why little kittens sleep in a pile, on top of each other. Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers and sending healing vibes to your babies…

    #812987
    jcat
    Participant

    Something that may help her — instead of mixing her formula with water, you could try mixing it with pedialyte. You can make pedialyte at home, this is the recipe:
    Pedialyte: (from World Health Organization)…no preservatives so short life-span

    * 1 cup water (boiled then cooled)

    * 2 tsp sugar

    * 1/8 tsp salt

    * 1/8 tsp baking soda

    (This Pedialyte formula gives needed electrolytes & some sugar for energy)

    Combine all ingredients and warm slightly.

    Make new after 24 hours.

    #813011
    Farah
    Participant

    Thank you Kittyzee and Jcat for your kind words and prayers, this is least i can do to such poor creatures, I try to follow their conditions , and may I ask a question? I know its gross but Lucy’s pee is all water and is so much while I noticed her stool is a yellowish pastry substance (in contrast to runnery brownish not two days ago) but she is still very skinny and has this wheezing sound sometimes, Maluce is better and more active
    Jcat, Thank you for the advice, I will try and bring the ingredients you indicated , just one question, is baking soda the same as baking powder used in cakes?
    I use clean bottle waters and boiled water for preparing the kitten formula.
    I have attached two pictures for Maluce (the white one with black and orange colors on her head and tail) and Lucy (the white with black head)
    Also I noticed that Lucy’s temperature dropped as I was feeding her which really worried and freaked me out so I wrapped her in a piece of cloths and rubbed her till i felt her somewhat warmer.
    I know I am troubling you guys, please bear with me

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=zt6ul2&s=8

    http://i58.tinypic.com/2hcjoyr.jpg

    #813012
    Kittyzee
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    Your kittens are so adorable, thank you so much for the time, effort and love you are giving them. It is so hard to rear baby kittens even in the best of circumstances, you are doing a wonderful job Farah. The trouble with the difference in stool is that it should probably be tested by a vet because they could have parasites, worms or the coccidia and giardia (bear with the spelling there, lol). The worms can be treated fairly easily, but I think a vet visit may be required for the other ones. I know that for safety reasons you can’t do this, and maybe someone else here can contribute as to whether there is some kind of home remedy for these parasites. I just don’t know if there are. The best thing you can do is what you are already doing, warmth, love, keeping them fed with food and milk and pedialyte. They seem determined to survive, and I am praying that they do!! Please keep us posted!

    #813013
    Kittyzee
    Participant

    Sorry, I forgot to answer your question about baking soda: baking powder is NOT the same as baking soda.

    #813024
    Farah
    Participant

    Thank you Kittyzee for your answer and kind words,they mean a lot to me
    To make sure she is warm enough, I placed a bottle of hot water beneath Lucy’s Blanket , she is fading fast and I worry for her
    Maluce is still increasing her activities and when I opened the door to our garden, she met another one of the stray kittens i took in about 3 months ago (Tuna) and befriended her despite size differences, I know I probably shouldn’t let them near each other, but they seem to like each other.
    Went to the shop near us and they don’t have cooking soda, will try a different one tomorrow.

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