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  • #830717
    Rafi
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    I wouldn’t have thought anything of it except I saw an article about CH recently. One of my current foster litter rolls on his back frequently and seems more wobbly than his litter mates when he does try to walk. They are two and a half weeks old, and the other two walk very well.

    This kitten also had difficulty in pooping when I first got them about 5 days ago. Was not straining – did not seem to respond at all to stimulation. Finally went after several doses of mineral oil.

    I have alerted the rescue I am fostering for but haven’t heard back yet.

    So, I am concerned because I’ve read that this is frequently in conjunction with felv? Should I separate the apparently healthy kittens? I couldn’t find any info on caring for a young kitten with possible CH, any experience out there to give advice?

    #830721
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Rafi,

    I’ve never had a kitten with Cerebral hypoplasia. I will bump this to more experienced foster purrents.

    #830726
    Kittyzee
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    Hi Rafi,
    I have not had a kitten with CH, but the first thing I would do is take the kitten, (or all the kittens) to the vet for a diagnosis. Remember, that it is NOT contagious, so you can relax about that. It is also not something that gets worse, the kitten just has trouble walking normally. I know that many kittens are needlessly euthanized for this–it’s not a death sentence but they may need a little extra care. From the symptoms you are explaining above, those things are normal in hand reared kittens. Difficulty pooping and wobbly walking are perfectly normal. But if a vet has seen many cases of CH, they could probably take a look at the kitten in question and make a diagnosis without expensive CT scans. I am going to give you a link for more information:
    http://lifewithchcats.com/what-is-cerebellar-hypoplasia/

    Good luck and let us know what you find out.

    #830728
    Buttons
    Moderator

    A vet will not normally diagnose CH in such a young kitten.. Some kittens are late bloomers 🙂 I’ve had a few.. So if she’s still eating normally and active I wouldn’t worry too much.. As for the connection with FELV well I’ve had a lot of experience with this insidious virus… And in kittens so young it is very possible to get a positive FeLV result but this is normally a transient infection and can clear after a few months for several FeLV snap tests as a positive 2 month old kitten can test negative a few months later.. A transient infection normally only means the kittens have the mothers antibodies in their system … I wouldn’t worry about separating them from each other just from any other cats you have at the moment.. Or at least until they are vaccinated..

    #830730
    Rafi
    Participant

    I’m an experienced foster, and this kitten is not moving normally. His siblings are. The rescue I work with is strongly opposed to unnecessary euthanization, this baby will not be euthanized! I haven’t heard back from them yet, but I’m sure we will be taking him to the vet asap.

    He’s eating well, but I have never seen a kitten spend so much time on its back at any age.

    I read and bookmarked that article earlier, and also this one; http://chcat.org/faq/

    Poor baby, it makes me sad to watch him struggling to walk. I’m thinking of cobbling up some sort of support, like training wheels or something to keep him upright.

    #830736
    Buttons
    Moderator

    Poor little one… Sometimes inner ear infections in kittens so young can have similar effects.. I hope it’s not CH .. There are many neurological conditions that can cause similar effects too.. Something as simple as lack of oxygen in delivery can cause lasting damage to spesific parts of the brain that control movement…

    I adopt special needs cats and have had a few with long term neurological and nerve damage as well as a very low developmental condition.. But none of my gang were ever in any pain… I hope whatever it is can be helped or at the very least she can live a some what normal life as long as pain isn’t an issue … Best of luk and please keep us updated…

    #830750
    Rafi
    Participant

    he doesn’t seem to be in pain. his hind legs just seem weak and his balance is VERY poor. perhaps he is just lagging behind the others. I hope thats the case, I’ll keep a close eye on him and hopefully he’ll improve in the next few days. He does seem healthy otherwise. I’ll keep you all posted.

    #830754
    Moonshadow_NZ
    Moderator

    One of our long time posters has a CH kitty and I am sure Jcat will post here as soon as she sees this thread.

    #830769
    jcat
    Participant

    Hi, Rafi,

    I am the TDKer with the cerebellar hypoplasia kitty. I will help in any way I can.

    First of all, the FelV virus is NOT the same as the virus that causes cerebellar hypoplasia.The Felv virus is the feline leukaemia virus. The virus that causes CH is the feline panleukopenia virus. They are two entirely different things. If a cat catches panleukopenia, it can be dead within 24 hours, it is extremely nasty and that is why domestic cats are vaccinated against it. Cerebellar hypoplasia is caused by exposure to the panleukopenia virus in the womb — if it is early in the pregnancy then the kittens will die, if late in the pregnancy then the virus affects the development of the part of the brain responsible for motor activity (movement). A CH kitten is perfectly healthy, cannot catch or pass on feline leukopenia, but its brain development has been adversely affected. Sometimes eyesight is affected (but my Millie, although she has severe CH, has great eyesight), teeth development may be affected (Millie hardly has any), general development is also put back by months or years (so Millie did not need to be spayed until she was a year old, and would not venture outside — we live in New Zealand — until she was more than two years old).
    So breathe a sigh of relief, it has nothing to do with FeLV. (Panleukopenia is also known as feline infectious enteritis, feline distemper, cat plague and various other things.)

    #830771
    jcat
    Participant

    I was in much the same position as you, a foster mum for the SPCA. I was fostering a very pregnant girl (Maisie) who was about to give birth. When Maisie had her three kittens, all torties and all girls, it was apparent from the start that there was something different about the middle kitten. I later discovered that an elderly and over-enthusiastic volunteer had somehow persuaded the vet (who has since retired) to give Maisie a shot against panleukopenia when she came in. The panleukopenia vaccine is a live but weakened vaccine (what they call ‘attenuated’) so this was a really, really bad idea as it exposed the kittens in the womb to the panleukopenia virus (which is why you do not give it to pregnant cats). Of course, the mum may have been infected in the wild but the timing is suspicious. Anyway, Maddie and Milo, the oldest and youngest kittens, developed more or less usually — they were perhaps a little clumsier than other kittens but if you hadn’t been told that they were, you would never have noticed. In New Zealand, the SPCA cannot find enough homes for healthy kittens so if I hadn’t taken Millie, she would have been put down. I had only heard of CH because another TDKer, a very experienced and knowledgeable foster mum in the US, had rescued two kittens which she eventually realised had CH. When Millie couldn’t seem to manage to learn to walk properly, I realised I probably had another CH kitten on my hands. CH is not generally known about in NZ, except for among vets. Millie’s is a pretty severe case, I imagine she got the full dose of vaccine into her and saved her siblings from harm. ALl you can do right now is keep an eye on her, give her any extra help and loving she seems to need, and watch her development. If she has CH, it will become apparent as she gets older, especially in relation to her siblings’ development. It never gets any better or any worse but cats learn to adapt to it. CH kittens are otherwise perfectly happy and healthy, they are not in any pain (they are more accident-prone so need a careful eye kept on them), their cat intellects are not affected, they are entirely normal except that their fine motor function doesn’t work very well. It is the feline equivalent of human cerebral palsy. Millie is determined, stubborn, brave and triumphant when she manages something, she is a brilliant climber (their front legs often become very strong to make up for their back legs not working) and she has a huge personality. She is demanding but she is also the snuggliest and most loving cat I’ve ever had. Toilet training can be an issue, depending on the degree of affectedness — but we can deal with that when your kitten gets to it. It is not likely that the vet will be able to diagnose it for sure until she is about three or four months old but there is no treatment. People often say that they have ‘taught their CH kitten to walk properly’ but Millie’s is so severe that that she has never been able to walk properly (although she is much better outside on earth) and I suspect what happens is that their CH kitten is just adapting naturally to its condition as it gets older so though I felt guilty for a while that I couldn’t seem to help to teach Millie to walk, I now think that it’s not possible to improve their condition — as the books say, it doesn’t get worse, it doesn’t get better, but kitten adapts. The more time Millie spent outside, where she finds it easier to walk and run, the stronger her back legs became and the better she became at walking. But she will always have trouble with falling over, especially inside.

    (That is not to say that gently massaging and exercising kitten’s back legs won’t help as it may well do, especially if her problem is not actually CH. I massaged and exercised Millie’s back legs when she was a kitten and made her practise putting her weight on them. Anything that can help strengthen their back leg muscles will help kitten adapt.)

    If you are in the US, then probably you can arrange some sort of trolley or cart for kitten. There are DIY videos on youtube on constructing carts for CH kitties. Here in NZ, where the condition is almost unknown, there is no such thing and unfortunately I am no handyman, but Millie has a good life and if she has special needs, she also rewards me by being an extra-loving, snuggly and cuddly kitty who, at three years old, loves to snuggle me all night and all day if possible. Luckily she is small and not heavy so that’s not usually a problem.

    #830777
    jcat
    Participant

    Check the pink tag I’ve added for cerebellar hypoplasia for more info.

    #830786
    Kittyzee
    Participant

    Jcat, thanks for the information! That should be made a sticky, as it is so full of information and positive reinforcement!! ((Jcat))

    #830789
    jcat
    Participant

    Awww, KZ, thank you for the kind words 😀 This was Millie at five months. She’s four now — I tried to copy in a more recent piccy but it looks like I need an URL to do it:

    #830793
    jcat
    Participant

    Waaah! It’s not working! Anyway, Mills was Kit of the Day on 29 June 2011…

    #830796
    jcat
    Participant

    I have just been looking at the website you posted KZ, I haven’t come across it before. It rocks! What a great resource!

    #830830
    Rafi
    Participant

    Is there a way to quote people?

    #830844
    Kittyzee
    Participant

    JCat, your link looked broken, but when I clicked on it, it worked! She’s a beautiful tortie! I have watched My Cat from Hell and they featured a CH cat on there one episode. I’ve seen videos of CH kittens and cats, and one has a dog that helps her and follows her wherever she goes. No one could help other people out more than someone who has dealt with a CH cat or kitten. Experience is the best teacher!

    #830851
    jcat
    Participant

    Rafi, it looks like you can, there’s a button above the reply space called /b-quote. But just ask away and I’ll work out which bit of the answer you’re responding to. I do tend to run on, sorry ’bout that.

    #832007
    Rafi
    Participant

    Just want to let everyone know that kitten seems fine now. After another week or so he stopped falling, seemed like his legs got strong enough to support him now. Still, I’ve never seen a kitten fall over that much at any age, every few steps he would lose his balance and fall over and then take a couple minutes to get back on his feet. I do wonder why he was so far behind his litter mates.

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