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  • #38551
    WillowandWindismom
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    #572858
    jeanjellibean20
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    Wow I can’t believe it. I just can’t believe it. How can Doctors be that insensitive?

    #572859
    kittymom
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    “Empathy 101” is not a ‘required course’ in medical school, but it should be!!!!!!!

    #572860
    mollycat71
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    <–Not a doctor or a nurse here but I work with them every day. I do know they are insensitive. I also know from having had my two brain surgeries. UGH, and people respect them so much.

    #572861
    jeanjellibean20
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    You know I have been so lucky with all the Doctors that I have. Well except one. After I had lung surgery in Philly my local Dr would not see me for two weeks, even tho the surgeon wanted him to check me. As you can well imagine, he is no longer my Dr. I know people treat them like they are God. And some act like they are God!!

    #572862
    WillowandWindismom
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    When I was doing hospice nurses I can’t tell you how many patients had not been told their prognosis by the doctor. So then the doctor sends me to open them to hospice services and so guess who gets to explain what is happening? But it was probably all for the good since nurses are much more sensitive than doctors.

    #572863
    jeanjellibean20
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    Yes I am sure it was for the good for the nurses to do the explaining, but wow I still can’t get over it.

    My Mom died in the 70’s in the Hospital. Her Dr was on vacation, and no one called to tell us she died. Her Dr told me on the phone she had 6 mos. to live. That was a nightmare. I am sure you have lots of stories like that.

    #572864
    mollycat71
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    I know I would rather be treated by a nurse practitioner than a doctor! They are sooooo nice and thorough!

    #572865

    I am fortunate to now have an excellent doctor. He explains the options and lets ME decide what course of treatment I want.

    #572866
    Karenopa
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    Forgive me but most doctors suck! =(

    #572867
    jeanjellibean20
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    Most of my Drs are women

    #572868
    Marnet
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    A few years back a dear friend of mine was dying of aggressive breast cancer that had spread to her liver, bones, spine, and brain. I went to visit her (she lived in a different state several days drive away) for a week and found that no one, not her doctors, not her husband, no one, had told her she was dying even after brain surgery. And, a full year after her masectomy no one had ever taken her to get the breast prothesis she had a prescription for and that insurance would fully pay for.

    It was left to me to take her to get fitted with the prothesis and bra for it. Having done that with my mom some years earlier, I knew what to expect and at my friend’s request stayed with her in the fitting room.

    And when she started asking questions about whether or not she was dying, I told her the truth. We’d been roomies in college and dear friends ever since. No way I was hiding the truth from her. She needed an honest answer to confirm what she already knew from the way her condition was rapidly declining. I think her husband simply didn’t know how to tell her and was afraid to face the truth himself.

    I spent the week I was there taking her places she wanted to see one last time, like the zoo, or just driving around town to see places that held special memories, like their first house, etc. I gave her my late mom’s cane and walker with my dad’s blessing. No one had even gotten her those things to help her be able to leave her house.

    And I pushed her husband into contacting hospice care, getting long overdue Social Security disability for her so there would be some money for the children, getting her husband to contact family counseling for their boys, etc. And I cried myself to sleep every night for a month to find no one had done anything for my dear friend all that time and that I hadn’t realized months earlier she needed that much help and been there for her sooner when it could have made so much more difference to her final 18 months of life.

    How could all the doctors have never told her she was dying so she could come to terms with that and find some peace ahead of time? I just can’t fathom why they never told her.

    #572869
    WillowandWindismom
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    Marnet, sometimes the family will insist that the patient not be told and the physician will go along with that. I would never accept a hospice patient who didn’t know their prognosis. It was just something that I felt very strongly about.

    #572870
    Skyron
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    I dlnt even want to begin talking about dr’s. That would just start me fuming. Reading what marnet said though got me thinking. I think there is a general assumption amongs people as patients that drs will tell them about things like hospice. And i believe they should do it, but sadly i dont think dr’s see patients as human beings, they just see a patient number and a case file. I’ve had surgeons operate on me who couldnt even remember my name or surname afterwards. Its upsetting. I’ve been fortunate enough not to have any of my family members die or get some serious illnessess like cancer – and i just dont know about stuff like hospice & canes and what people might need. I think if you have the experience and you know what to expect thats a good thing, and i dont mean anything nasty by saying that.. Maybe its just possible that family members are so wrapped up in their own minds and whats happening to them (losing a loved one) that they dont consider the compassion needed by their loved one. Like i said, no personal experience on the subject. Just thinking out loud here.

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    #572871
    jeanjellibean20
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    I think everyone has the right to know.

    #572872
    Skyron
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    i think the problem comes in when people dont even know that things like hospice or disability payments are available to them. Whose responsibility is it to inform people of what their options are? Like I didnt even know about the disability thing untill i read about now.

    #572873
    Jourdan
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    I havent seen my doctor in years, I choose to see the nurse practitioner. She is personable, caring, and has time to answer my questions. I know with her that when she asks the dreaded How are you doing today question she will actually hear my answer.

    When I got a blood test back showing cancerous cells (turned out to be pre cancerous and not deadly thankfully) She made time to see me then and there. She talked to me, tried to calm me, and made a clear plan to take care of buisness. She may not be the doctor, but I know if she doesnt know the answer she will find out or get me to someone who does. The most important thing is she has the ability to show compassion for those she treats.

    #572874
    jeanjellibean20
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    Anyone remember when Doctors made House Calls? That is almost laughable now.

    You are lucky to get an appt. For specialists sometimes waiting months for an appt.

    #572875
    AZDEBRA 5/27 & crew
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    Good points were made above, thank you for sharing.

    Found out how different states have such different hospice programs, my dear friend/co-worker’s grandfather passed on early last night. I talked them into doing the home hospice vs the hospital because of my wonderful experiences with the hospice program in California. Well the hospice in Arizona is quite a bit different, the actual hospice worker came out once a week and the hospice nurse came out to check on him 3 times a week. At my Mom’s, the hospice worker came out every day and the nurse came out or called every day for at least a couple of hours and they offered to give my father and brothers a break for 24 hrs if they needed it (my Mom passed rather quickly so it wasn’t needed). I still get monthly letters from the hospice to see how I am doing and to give little tips on dealing with grief.

    Doctors, well I have had some good ones and more that just didn’t seem to have a clue about people.

    #572876
    jeanjellibean20
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    God bless all the people who work with Hospice.

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