28 April, 2011 at 9:07 am #659317
Hi, again, CT, glad the kittens have come through so far! Skyron is our most experienced foster kitty mum so I’d go with everything she says. Sky, the kittens have eyes open, ears up and one is walking so I’m figuring they’re at least two weeks old and maybe a bit more. I googled the Biolac and it’s a kitten milk replacement, so I’m thinking same quantities as KMR and in any case it should say on the tin. I’ve read about burping by making circular movements on their back but Millie always burps when I hold her up against me and stroke her back (like a human baby). Mind you, she’s older. I’ll go with Sky on the burping kittens — yay if they do, don’t worry too much if they don’t…28 April, 2011 at 10:55 am #659318
Ok yay, I wont stress too much on the burping. Still no luck on the pooping. I looked up a video on the triangle method but even that didn’t work. My partner is going to take them to the vet tomorrow morning to get a look over and see about the pooping and the sneezing. I am very worried about two of them, they are starting to wheeze like a mouse that I had once that had a respiratory infection. So I did what I used to do with Anna (the mouse) and put an open bottle of tee tree oil next to their box to (potentially) help with their breathing. Anna was on antibiotics her whole two little years. I hope these bubs don’t have the same thing, but if they do I dont mind the medication..
Still very worried about eating though. Two of them are sculling it down, two of them are pretty average and two are having basically nothing…28 April, 2011 at 11:16 am #659319
About the two who arent drinking – i’m wondering if their noses might be stuffy? Cause if they are, they wont be able to breathe when they are suckling on a nipple – they wont be able to get enough suction to drink milk if they have to stop to take a breath every time they breathe. Can you maybe try them with an eye dropper, or a syringe? But i’d say feed them drop by drop so they can breathe and get something to eat. If they haven’t been eating they are probably very lethargic by now – try giving them some pedialyte or something similar to get their blood levels going again, and make sure they are nice & warm, and then try the drop-by-drop eating?28 April, 2011 at 11:37 am #659320
I’ve added a tag for home made pedialyte. If you click on it, you’ll find a thread about a 6 month old cat with diahrrea – in that thread buttercup posted jcats’ recipe for home made pedialyte – i’m not sure if you guys have the real thing where you live. In sa, the equivalent of pedialyte is called darrow’s. I buy it at the pharmacy, its meant for dehydrated babies.
About the gasping for air that the kittens are doing – they really need to get to a vet. You can try putting them in the bathroom and letting a hot shower run – the steam will help them to breathe easier. I’m not sure about the tee tree oil – i’ve used it on myself but i have no idea if its safe for kittens. But they need antibiotics for the flu and cortisone/steroids to help them breathe. And if they are around 2 weeks old (sounds like they are) they are definitely old enough for those medications.28 April, 2011 at 12:30 pm #659321
Tea tree oil is toxic to cats, I really don’t think it’s advisable to use it. I don’t know what pedialyte is called in Aus (it’s Dioralyte in the UK) but I imagine if you went to a pharmacist and said Pedialyte or infant rehydration salts, they would know where to point you. But the home-made recipe should be fine. I definitely think the shower is the best idea to decongest the babies and you need to get something down them, the pedialyte is a good start. You could also try a smear of honey in their mouth (no lumps, nothing to choke on), just to get their blood sugar up.28 April, 2011 at 12:36 pm #659322
So you don’t need to trawl through the threads:
The tent test is to test for dehydration:
Tent test: pick up a good pinch of kitten’s skin at the neck and let go.If it snaps back immediately, she’s hydrated okay. If it takes a little time to go back down, or, worse, it stays up in a ‘tent’ shape, she needs fluids, such as pedialyte (from the supermarket, children’s aisle) or home-made pedialyte below.
Note, in the United Kingdom, pedialyte is called Dioralyte. Also known as rehydration salts.
* Pedialyte formula (from World Health Organization)…no preservatives so short life-span
* 1 cup water (boiled then cooled)
* 2 tsp sugar
* 1/8 tsp salt
* 1/8 tsp baking soda
* (this Pedialyte formula gives needed electrolytes & some sugar for energy)
Combine all ingredients and warm28 April, 2011 at 10:23 pm #659323
Oh thank you for that recipe! Boy is looking after the kitteys this morning and taking them to the vet so I will get him to mix some of that up for them. They all made it through the night and after each meal they spend the next half an hour trying to climb out of the box. A few of them have figured it out so a bigger box is on the cards today! I am hoping this is a good sign that they are thriving, they couldn’t walk two days ago and now they are pulling themselves out of a box bigger than them! The only one that is not giving that a shot is the little grey runt. She spends most of her time on the heat sock, she ate a fair bit at their 1am feeding but again only 2ml at their 5am feed. Most of them are sucking down 7-11ml per feed every 4 hours. There is one little champ that has been doing 11ml each feed and wants MORE! Should I let him have more of restrict him? He still hasn’t pooped and his belly is starting to get firm but he burps a lot.
No poops from any of them yet… Ill update when they get back from the vet.
I keep doing the tent test and it goes down fairly fast – very fast on all of them. None of them stay up. But a couple of them have smelly slightly yellow peep. Maybe UTI?
I have never been a cat person (chickens and old dogs are my thing) but golly gee these kittehs are growing on me!
Oh! Here is a video of them after their 5am feed this morning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edmNRRe_ShU28 April, 2011 at 10:39 pm #659324
Oh and about the honey thing – I am vegan and dont have any honey… would maple syrup or agave syrup or even a home made sugar syrup work the same?28 April, 2011 at 10:52 pm #659325
And also, thank you both so much! I seriously would not have been able to cope the last couple of days without your advice! I am not great at replying asap but I have been reading everything and it has been so beyong helpful! I was so overwhelmed by different ideas on the net I had no idea where to start with looking after these babies (who would have known about the wee technique??) but I think so far they are doing well… better than they would have living on a grated radiator in the rainy autumn weather anyways!28 April, 2011 at 10:52 pm #659326
I imagine that sugar syrup would work fine; I gave my diabetic cat Karo syrup (corn syrup) when he had a hypoglycemic episode. All of these are simple sugars that can be absorbed through the gum tissue to give a quick boost to the blood sugar. Because if their blood sugar is too low, they will become very lethargic and unable to suck. But it doesn’t keep the blood sugar up long- think of a sugar rush! so it needs to be followed by formula (or repeated)28 April, 2011 at 11:06 pm #659327
Ah true, OK, with the runt I will try the syrup and then formula. See if she will perk up!
Just got news back from the vet – she was really surprised at how well they were all doing. She said we were doing everything that we need to be doing and that they are around early 3 weeks and weigh around 290g each. She said that they must be pooing or they wouldn’t be eating as much so maybe they are doing it and the other kitties are cleaning it up? Or maybe they are doing it in the middle of the night when we are half asleep and we think its just wee? I dont know.. But she said that their bellies are actually quite soft so thats good! They do all have the flu and I will take them back for a proper appointment later this afternoon to get some antibiotics for them but she said that 99% of strays have the flu or get the flu and they either make it or they fade, its just part of being a stray kitty. I say Bugger that! Ima drug my little kitties and hug them and warm them and feed them until that flu buggers off!
I had a beautiful little mouse once that caught a respiratory infection when she was about 1 month old. She lived until she was just over two and every morning and afternoon we would give her little drops of antibiotics and when she got wheezy or sneezy she would have a sauna (bathroom with a hot shower running) and tea tree oil (which I wont be using on the kitties now! It hasn’t hurt them over night but Im not going to risk it!). She ended up passing away an old lady and it was from an inoperable tumor next to her lung. I plan on looking after my little gray runty just as much as my little mouse Anastaysia28 April, 2011 at 11:15 pm #659328
I think you’ll find that yellow, slightly smelly peep is actually poop…28 April, 2011 at 11:16 pm #659329
That is great news that they are doing so well!28 April, 2011 at 11:20 pm #659330
Are you serious? I have been so stressed that they weren’t pooping and that they had uti’s and all the while its just their weird poops? Awesome! But grr! But awesome!
Kiplings- I know! I’m stoked! I can’t stop smiling!
My poor beautiful anxious rescue dog needs some attention now that I know the kittys are going to be OK28 April, 2011 at 11:21 pm #659331
It is, it is wonderful news, and they are such cuties on the video. Yep, they are walking and wanting to explore their surroundings and playing with each other — try to let them out for supervised play at least once a day in a reasonably kitten proof room, you’ll both have great fun and they will probably want to climb on your lap for some cuddles too! I have read that the most confident kittens are those that are brought up ‘under foot’ (within reason, of course), from my experience with my fosters I’d say it’s true.
You’re very welcome re the advice, it’s so easy to give it but you’re the one who has to do all the hard work! Try to keep feeding the little runt little and often, I’d be trying to coax her to take another ml every couple of hours during the day at least. I don’t think kittens can eat too much or get too chubby but some websites disagree, they say if you feed them too much, they might get tummy troubles. I think this lot have had a terrible start, they’re sick, they’re behind, if they want to eat, go for it. You are doing the most amazing job!
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