(((Mac)))

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  • #816366
    JerseyJoan
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    Can’t bring Mac inside. He is FIV positive.
    Will look into finding an only or all FIV + home. Or setting him up with a really good outdoor shelter.
    He is so mellow, and the bit if interaction with Leela and Comet has been calm, but I can’t gamble on there never being a biting fight. I would be able to bring him in supervised in extreme cold weather, and keep him isolated for a limited time (overnight if applicable) but I don’t have the layout for any permanent isolation that would be fair to anyone.
    I haz a sad.

    #816367
    Kittyzee
    Participant

    Aww Joan. Poor Mac. Sometimes ignorance is bliss, isn’t it? I feel for you as I’m sure you are so disappointed and heartbroken. I am sending you and Mac hugs, real heartfelt hugs and hope a solution appears that will make your heart soar….

    #816368
    AV
    Participant

    Oh Joan, so very sorry! Poor sweet Mac… praying the right solution will come about

    #816369
    ecbrown
    Participant

    Aww, Joan, I’m sorry. Do plenty of research to make sure. From what I’ve read, I’d be totally comfortable bringing an FIV kitty in to live with my crew. But I understand being uncomfortable with it too. Saying a prayer for the perfect solution for sweet Mac.

    #816373
    katzenjammer
    Participant

    Very sad! Hope that some feasible solution can be found.

    #816374
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I’m sure you’ve done research but I found this information. I hope it’s helpful. I am sad with you and Mac 🙁 .

    THE PET HEALTH LIBRARY
    By Wendy C. Brooks, DVM, DipABVP
    Educational Director, VeterinaryPartner.com

    Feline Immunodeficiency Virus (FIV)
    What is FIV?

    FIV stands for feline immunodeficiency virus, just as HIV stands for human immunodeficiency virus. In fact, these two viruses are closely related and much of the general information that has become common knowledge for HIV also holds true for FIV. FIV is a virus that causes AIDS in cats; however, there is a long period without symptoms before AIDS occurs and our job is to prolong this asymptomatic period. The average life expectancy from the time of diagnosis for FIV is 5 years. Humans cannot be infected with FIV; FIV is a cats-only infection.

    For a lengthy description of this virus and an FAQ, we recommend the Cornell Feline Health Center.

    Also helpful is information from the American Association of Feline Practitioners.

    How is Diagnosis Made?

    Most of the time FIV infection is discovered using a screening test done in your veterinarian’s office or on a blood panel run at a reference laboratory. Once a screening test identifies a cat as positive, the next step is a follow-up confirming test called a Western Blot. Once this test is positive, the cat is considered to be truly infected.

    It should be noted that administration of the new vaccine recently released for commercial use will cause a cat to test positive on both of the above tests. We do not currently do have a test that will distinguish a vaccinated cat from a truly positive cat. Some veterinarians do not recommend the vaccine, and some do.

    How did my Cat get Infected?

    The major route of virus transmission is by the deep bite wounds that occur during fighting. There are other means of spreading the virus but they are less common. Mother cats cannot readily infect their kittens except in the initial stages of her infection. FIV can be transmitted sexually and through improperly screened blood transfusions. Casual contact such as sharing food bowls or snuggling is unlikely to transmit the virus.

    Isolation of an FIV+ cat is not necessary in a stable household unless the FIV+ cat is likely to fight with the other residents.

    What do I do Now?

    Some lifestyle changes will probably be needed now that you know you have an FIV+ cat.

    Keep your Cat Indoors Only

    Now that you know your cat has an infectious disease, the responsible thing is to prevent the spread of this disease in your community. This means that your cat will need to be an indoor cat. Cats who are used to living outdoors will make a fuss about being allowed outside. It is crucial that you do not give in as this will simply reinforce the crying and fussing. If you just allow the fussing to run its course, it will cease and the cat will get used to the new indoor only life.

    Cats who are inclined to slip past people entering the home when the door is open can be managed by leaving them in a closed room when someone is out of the house. This way, when someone arrives home, the cat does not have access to the front door.

    No Raw Foods
    There are currently numerous fad diets involving raw foods for pets. It is crucial that one not succumb to these popular recommendations when it comes to the FIV+ cat. Uncooked foods, meats especially, can include parasites and pathogens that a cat with a normal immune system might be able to handle but an FIV+ cat might not. Stick to the major reputable cat food brands.

    Vaccination
    Vaccination should be continued for these cats just as they are for other cats. Some experts recommend using only killed vaccines to avoid any possible reversion to virulence of the live vaccine virus strains. This has not panned out as a problem in reality, plus the killed vaccines have been associated with vaccine-associated fibrosarcomas, an additional problem an FIV+ cat does not need. We still recommend live virus vaccines for FIV+ cats just as we do for FIV- cats.

    Parasite Control
    The last thing an FIV+ cat needs is fleas, worms or mites, especially now that he is going to be an indoor cat. There are numerous effective products on the market for parasite control. Consult with your veterinarian about which parasites you should be concerned with and which anti-parasitic product is right for you.

    Immune Stimulating Agents
    There are numerous products on the market claiming to stimulate the immune system of the FIV+ cat. These include Acemannan, levamisole, ImmunoRegulin¼, and interferon alpha. None of these products have been shown definitively to be helpful though it appears that they certainly do not do any harm. I recommend interferon alpha for asymptomatic cats as it is relatively inexpensive and my impression is that it helps. Interferon alpha is used in an extremely dilute form (not the much higher anti-viral doses) and is used as a salty liquid added to the cat’s food or administered orally on a daily basis.

    A newer product, which is a Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator, has been released. This product will increase lymphocyte counts, especially the helper T cells that are so important to immune function. There are other effects as well that may be helpful. The product is given weekly for the first month, then every other week and then monthly as an injection. It is recommended that blood cell counts be performed monthly in cats with low lymphocyte or red blood cell counts. While this sounds like good news, keep in mind that this is a new product and clinical trials have not been published. See more information from the manufacturer.

    Antioxidants
    Oxidative stress is rather a long story and has been implicated in the development of cancer, age-related degeneration, and in other disease states. In short, oxidative stress stems from reactive oxygen compounds that are generated by our metabolism. The oxygen compounds are able to damage DNA unless they are scavenged (rendered harmless) by either the natural antioxidant systems of our bodies or by antioxidant supplements we take orally. Oxidative stress has been implicated in the progression of HIV infection in humans and it has been extrapolated that the same is true of FIV infection in cats. A 2008 study by Webb et al published in the Journal of Feline Medicine and Surgery looked at an antioxidant called Superoxide Dismutase in FIV cats and found an improvement in the CD4+ to CD8+ ratio in supplemented cats. This is a promising finding though cats were only followed for a 30-day period, which indicates that further studies may show more substantial clinical benefit. What this all means is that oral antioxidant supplementation may be helpful in keeping FIV+ cats healthy. While the jury is still out as to how significant a treatment this is likely to become, it is certainly clear that antioxidant supplementation may be beneficial on a number of planes and may be worth a try.

    General Monitoring
    While a non-geriatric FIV- cat should have an annual examination, the FIV+ cat should have a check-up twice a year. Annually, a full blood panel and urinalysis is wise. Also, it is important to be vigilant of any changes in the FIV+ cat. Small changes that you might not think would be significant in an FIV- cat should probably be thoroughly explored in an FIV+ cat.

    What about Medications Used in HIV+ Humans?

    AZT (brand name RetrovirÂź) is a prominent antiviral medication for treating human HIV infection. Tests in FIV+ cats indicate that those with either neurologic signs or with stomatitis (oral inflammation) may benefit most. At this time, at least in cats, AZT seems to be something to save for when symptoms of viral infection appear. There are some bone marrow issues with red blood production and some periodic monitoring tests are advisable. If problems arise, fortunately, they are reversible and should resolve with a few days of discontinuing medication.

    Drugs other than AZT seem to have more potential for toxicity and are not recommended for feline use.

    The Immune-Suppressed Owner

    Immune-suppressed cats and immune-suppressed owners do not mix well. Those who are immune suppressed, be they human or non-human, are inclined to become infected with opportunistic organisms and in turn shed larger numbers of those organisms than one might naturally come into contact with in the environment. This means that someone who is immune-suppressed (human or not) can serve as an amplifier for infectious agents. An immune-suppressed cat can increase an immune-suppressed human’s exposure to infectious agents and vice versa. This is obviously not a good situation. The same is true for multiple immune-suppressed cats living together. If possible, there should be only one immune-suppressed individual per home.

    #816377
    Judith
    Participant

    Poor Mac. Life is so unfair sometimes. I hope you can find either a way to keep him with you, or someone who will adopt him as an only indoor cat. He sounds lovely and you are working so hard for him.

    #816380
    Moonshadow_NZ
    Moderator

    That sucks monkey toes Joan, you had such wonderful plans for him to join Comet & Leela inside. I hope you are able to find a good home for him or if not somewhere outside where he is well sheltered from the elements.
    You are right not to risk Comet & Leela’s health, no matter how heart breaking the decision is, they are your babies and you must be true to them first.
    He is such a lovely cat with a wonderful temperament that will help in his re-homing.

    #816389
    Buttons
    Moderator

    Im sorry Joan … I can understand your concerns and if your unsure if there could be a biting incident then your doing the right thing.. My Bob also has FIV but I’ve never kept him separate from the rest.. He used to have scuffles with Buttons occasionally but never attack bites so I was never worried…

    Hope an FIV positive home can be found for him…

    #816394
    ecbrown
    Participant

    Joan, I’m sorry if my last post sounded like I was questioning your decision. I just wanted to make sure you were aware that there are a lot of “mixed” cat families out there, with little risk of transmission. But it is true that unless the cat is toothless there is a slight risk, or more than slight depending on their inclination to fight (which is often related to their spay/neuter status). Actually, I probably spoke too quickly saying I’d take an FIV kitty in without hesitation since my crew does have the occasional fight….nothing approaching street cat fights, but still…

    #816418
    bumblebee
    Participant

    Awwww that is SO sad Joan. 🙁 SO sorry…….

    #816419
    katzenjammer
    Participant

    What I can say Joan is that you have socialized Mac to where hopefully he will fit in to a loving and purrhaps single cat home, with a purrson devoted to keeping him healthy, totally doting on him. And that’s something – that’s something big! But also sad that it didn’t work out ideally for you.

    #816447

    (((Joan and Mac))) Prayers are with you both.

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