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    WinterTime
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    We have a 15 year female cat who was always beautifully litter box trained until a couple of years ago. She had developed bladder stones and was urinating very frequently, wherever she happened to be at the time. After her surgery, I’ve really never been able to get her 100% back on track. I’ve been able to manage the situation for the most part by keeping very close tabs on her activity, sometimes escorting her to the litter box every few hours. Sometimes we may go several months without an incident, and then have a few quite close together. It seems like whenever I start to let my guard down a little, we have an incident. Oddly, one of her favorite places is in the dog’s food bowl when it’s empty. Literally, IN the dog’s empty food bowl. It doesn’t happen often, but often enough to constitute a pattern. Is all of this a by product of her age at this point? Could she conceivably be mistaking the empty food dish for a litter box? Any thoughts on how to get her reliably re-trained? Or is it a lost cause at this point? I’ve tried quite a few approaches already but I’d love to get some input.

    #824476
    JerseyJoan
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    Hi Wintertime – I guess the short term thing to do would be to escort her to the litterbox when you can. And/or put more litterboxes out.
    The weird thing about the empty bowl is there’s no litter for her to scratch and cover.
    Her age could very well be a factor. Cats’ demeanor and habits change as they age.

    #824480
    WinterTime
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    OK, thanks. Looks like I’ll just have to continue managing the situation as best I can. That’s what I suspected. Nothing really seems to solve it in the long term. I’m totally baffled by the empty bowl thing, though.

    #824484
    Kittyzee
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    Hi WinterTime, remember she is a senior cat and with that may come some forgetfulness, or maybe dementia. I don’t know this to be the case obviously, but just a thought. Cats pee in strange places when they have stones or UTI’s. Sometimes (not all) they are in pain or discomfort and they go wherever and whenever. Joan had good advice too, more litterboxes. If you have a large dog and the water bowl is big, she may just be confused enough to use it because it’s there.

    #824494
    WinterTime
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    Yes, the problem began when she had the bladder stones a couple of years ago. At the time, she clearly was having discomfort that caused her to, understandably, go whenever and wherever. She had those removed and was actually checked quite recently, just as a follow up, to make sure they have not returned. They have not. The behavior since the surgery is altogether different. There is not the same sense of urgency and nowhere near the frequency. It’s as if she just developed bad habits when she had the stones and occasionally reverts to those if I let down my guard. I just can’t seem to get her reliably retrained. I have begun to wonder if she might have a touch of dementia due to advancing age, although I’m not seeing it in other areas of behavior. Maybe the onset of that just happened to coincide with the bladder stone issue. The dog’s bowl is large-ish for a bowl, but tiny compared to a litter box. I’m not even sure how she manages it, as I’ve never caught her in the act. She must just back up to it and position her backside over it. There is no way she could get inside it at all. Our home has a very open floor plan which makes confinement or additional litter boxes problematic. The dog’s feeding area with the bowl in question is actually quite near our own dining table. A litter box next to it isn’t terribly appealing. But it may come to that, I suppose….

    #824501
    JerseyJoan
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    I hear you about the litterbox. We took in a stray and he has decided the best place to go is near the dining room table. Hoping I can get him to use the one in the bathroom as he gets acclimated.

    #824549
    jcat
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    How recently was she rechecked? If it was more than a few months ago, I would take her back to make sure she doesn’t have a UTI and while you’re there, take the opportunity to talk to the vet about this problem. There are treatments that can help. Cats are like humans as they get older, or like small children, their world will shrink a bit, she may need her bed, litter box and food tray to be in a smallish area (still close to you so she knows what’s going on) so she doesn’t need to travel any distance to any of them.

    I’m also wondering whether the surgery on her bladder has simply affected her ability to be continent, maybe the muscles have been affected, or maybe her old age is having the same effect (although 13 is not that old), or maybe arthritis is an issue in her getting in and out of boxes. I would also hazard a guess that she will forever associate her old type of litter box with the dreadful pain she was in then, and that’s why she likes to go to entirely different things that could still be considered a litter box (eg the dog’s bowl). Or perhaps doing it in the dog’s bowl is somehow more comfortable for her, because of her age and/or muscles and/or surgery.

    A third possibility is that she can still smell the spots where she urinated when she had the bladder problem and so continues to pee there because she thinks it’s an okay place to pee. Have you used an enzyme cleaner from the vet to clean those spots? Check all over the house with a black light to see where urine has been deposited. After the enzyme cleaning, using the Feliway spray to just spray the spot every day will tell her ‘we don’t pee here’.

    In terms of the dog’s bowl, I would be inclined to go with that. Keep the dog’s actual bowl out of the way (of course) except when he’s actually eating out of it but buy a whole lot more (in different colours from the dog’s bowl) and, after you’ve cleaned the spots where she pees with an enzyme cleaner, pop the bowls over the top. It’s not ideal but it’s better than pee all over the floor. Finally, if the vet can’t help you and nothing else works (check the litterbox pink tag, there is heaps more advice), you can get kitty diapers, with washable liners (google for the sites) or you can use (human) pads in the kitty diapers or you can cut down human baby diapers for your cat (check youtube for videos on how to do this). I have a disabled cat who is young but needs to lie down to pee and poop and it took a while to find something that worked for her. Best of luck!

    #824553
    jcat
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    #824562
    WinterTime
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    Thanks so much for the input. I do see some food for thought here. I’ll definitely check out all the links. Macaroni is actually 15, not 13. I still don’t consider 15 to be super old, though. We’ve had cats live to be 18 or so. But it’s not young either. I don’t think she is really incontinent, per se, as this does not happen all that often. She actually seems to be able to hold it for a pretty long time generally. When she had the stones, she did not seem to be able to hold her urine for long at all. She was peeing really frequently, but only tiny amounts. That was one of the major clues that something was wrong physically. And I would see her doing it. Now, I almost never catch her in the act. So the behavior is not quite the same. Still, a UTI and re-checking again for the stones certainly bears looking into. But wouldn’t the peeing be, again, quite frequent and in smaller amounts? I have used every kind of cleaner known to man! I’m not convinced any cleaner will totally get rid of all traces of odor. But, yes, I’ve used enzyme cleaners. I agree with you about the bowls. I have several that can be switched out and I’d rather have her pee in a bowl than on the floor itself. I’ve just never heard of a cat doing that and find it puzzling. Do you think the Feliway spray works? I’ve heard conflicting reports about that.

    #824566
    WinterTime
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    I’ve been mulling over some of jcat’s thoughts. If Macaroni has a touch of arthritis (which she probably does at 15) and is also associating her current litter and litter boxes with the discomfort of the bladder stones, perhaps a new type of litter and/or litter boxes is in order. I’ve always used the jumbo size litter boxes so my adult cats have more room to move around. They have always seemed to prefer that size. But, it just occurred to me that the sides of the jumbo size boxes are also higher. If I could find something that had the size of the jumbo litterbox, but with lower sides, it might be easier for her to step in and out of. It wouldn’t even need to be an actual litter box. Maybe some sort of storage container with low sides but a fairly good size otherwise. As for litter, I’ve mostly used the clumping clay litter. From time to time, over the years, I’ve tried other types of litter. But, creatures of habit that they are, my cats inevitably preferred the more familiar clay litter. At this stage in her life, however, maybe Macaroni would prefer another type. Something she does not associate with the bladder stones. I suppose it would be a matter of trial and error to discover what type she’d like. Any thoughts or suggestions?

    #824570
    JerseyJoan
    Moderator

    Really good thoughts from Jcat. A box with shorter sides is a good idea. I use Swheat Scoop litter. It is wheat based, isn’t dusty and has no smell (which makes the litterbox near my dining room table bearable odor-wise!).

    #824572
    WinterTime
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    I’ll start with SWeat. I think I may have tried it a few years ago and it was not a big hit at the time. But it might be worth re-visiting that concept.

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