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  • #800085
    Leeny
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    It was horrible. I didn’t understand all the technical language in it–what particular body parts were, certain kinds of cells, and the exact meaning of some abnormalities–but I did understand that my poor baby had a massive abdominal infection that involved her liver, spleen, pancreas, and intestines. They said that 30 ml of “thick, yellow, opaque, foul-smelling fluid” was in her abdominal cavity and that more of the stuff was in her intestines. As for the plant material, it was both inside and outside individual cells, some of which were highly abnormal. They even found some cells in her organs that had died before she did.

    They said that the infection was chronic. What I want to know, then, is how did we all miss it? How did the vet who opened her abdomen to spay her not see it? How did her own doctor who examined her 12 days before she died not notice any clues? How did I, who lived with her for 6 months, have no idea something so serious was happening?

    Penny threw up Monday morning. The receptionist/tech told me to give her just the kibble, which is contradicting what the vet said earlier, but she wasn’t throwing up then. She’s been eating treats, but not with the rapid enthusiasm with which she usually eats them. I’m talking with the vet again tomorrow.

    #800096
    katzenjammer
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    I’m so sorry that you’re going through so much grief Leeny. I hope that when you speak with the vet you can get some clear guidance on Penny’s situation.

    #800103
    Leeny
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    I remember the vet who spayed her telling me, when I came to pick her up, that she’d been “eating like a little pig.” She also said Tigeranne had been meowing all morning and that she thought TA knew she was going home that day. I remember the downpour I drove through to get her and then to get her home. I remember how kittenish she acted, as if, now that she didn’t have to carry, bear, and nurse kittens any more, she could have a kittenhood herself.

    Dear God, it hurts so much when they die, particularly if the death is unnatural. It almost makes me wonder if the love is worth it.

    #800107
    Marnet
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    Oh Leeny, I am so sorry. So very, very sorry.

    #800109
    Buttons
    Moderator

    (((Lenny))) the love is worth it… This is just very raw for you still…

    #800114
    Marnet
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    Leeny, may I suggest that you take your remaining cat to a different vet for a second opinion regarding her health. Take Tigeranne’s autopsy report with you for the second vet to read along with a written timeline of when Tigeranne had surgery, exams, etc. and her negative symptoms prior to her death. Even good vets, like good doctors, can sometimes miss important signs of problems.

    Cats, as we all know, are excellent at hiding illness and pain. Sadly, it means that those of us who live with them and love them so dearly miss knowing just how sick they may be. I’ve missed it with several previous cats. I know it is so very hard not to feel guilty and baffled at having so missed realizing just how dire a pet’s health problems were. Please try not to beat yourself up. You did your best. You loved Tigeranne, gave her the best care you could, and are having to bear the pain of her sad loss. I am so sorry for you and for Tigeranne.

    #800129
    Kittyzee
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    I am so sorry about all this Leeny. But in reading about Tigeranne, could she have picked up an infection at the time of the spay? Do you use this vet regularly or have any reports of anyone else with a cat that got sick? I am saying this because I took my little Leona in for her spay and she got sick from the vet’s cat who had an illness because he placed him in the cage next to her. Am wondering about cleanliness, etc.

    #800130
    Kittyzee
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    I am also wondering about FIP, feline infectious peritonitis. My thoughts and prayers are with you Leeny, I know it surely doesn’t take Tigeranne’s place but just knowing so many people care and share in your grief hopefully helps lessen it some.

    #800131
    JerseyJoan
    Moderator

    Leeny, I am so sorry you are going thru this. I agree with Marnet, good doctors can miss things, another view seems like a good idea.
    Love is worth it, and you also have the love of this community to get you through this.

    #800140
    jcat
    Participant

    {{{{{Leeny}}}}}} Sometimes the pain of not knowing why is almost as overwhelming as the grief, but many things medical and veterinary science just don’t understand yet. Death is always more of a shock when it is sudden, it is always harder for the ones left behind. I agree with Marnet, take Penny to another vet, perhaps one recommended by friends or colleagues, along with the autopsy report, and particularly ask about FIP. I hope you can find some peace, my friend, in the fact that you loved Tigeranne and you did your best for her and are doing your best for Penny.

    #800143
    AZDEBRA 5/27 & crew
    Participant

    {{{Tigeranne & Leeny}}} so sorry that the report is causing you more grief, I would also take Penny to another vet. Sometimes things slip past even the best of the medical profession, they are human too.

    #800185
    feral
    Participant

    Leeny…I can only tell you how very,very sorry I am for what you’re going thru. The others are right. You need to take Penny to a new vet w/autopsy results in hand. I’m sending You & Penny Heartfelt Prayers & Hugs. And Strength to get thru all of this. Love to you both.
    Rest In Peace in the Meadow Tigeranne.

    #800186
    Leeny
    Participant

    Kittyzee, Tigeranne was spayed by my brother’s vet in another county. This was the only time she went to that vet. She had to be checked for communicable diseases and treated for fleas and worms before she could come home to Buttercup and Penny, so I let the vet out there do everything. I thought of something else last night. Before Tigeranne was spayed, they gave her an ultrasound to make sure she wasn’t pregnant again before they spayed her. The autopsy says that her liver was grossly swollen. How did an ultrasound not pick that up?

    I’m going to call and ask my vet to contact the pathologist who did the autopsy to find out exactly what “chronic” means in this context; in particular, how long does “chronic” indicate? I’m going to tell him what I’ve told you and say that I need more information. I’m also going to ask about the FIP vaccine. I quit having it administered to my cats after I read in a veterinary journal that it’s only 40% effective and an organization of feline practitioners no longer recommended its use because of that. Now I’m wondering if that was the best thing to do.

    Last night Penny was meowing her head off for wet food, so I gave her 1/3 can last night and this morning. Later in the morning, I noticed she’d eaten some kibble. The receptionist/tech called to check on her. I told him what happened. As long as there’s no more vomiting, giving her canned food as an appetizer is okay.

    #800189
    Leeny
    Participant

    I just thought of something. My brother told me he had a dog who displayed the exact same symptoms as Tigeranne just before death: lethargy, vomiting a large amount of thin fluid, then sudden death. Not having the money for it, he didn’t have an autopsy done. Tigeranne spent most of her life stray in that county. I’m going to mention that to my vet, also.

    #800375
    Leeny
    Participant

    Essence of talk with the vet:

    1. There is no logical explanation for what happened to Tigeranne. He has never seen anything like this before. An infection incubating for so long before spreading throughout the organs is something that just doesn’t happen.

    2. “Sepsis” occurs when the infection hits the bloodstream. Twelve days before she died, Tigeranne had a blood panel done. No signs of sepsis were present at that time.

    3. Tigeranne’s death had nothing to do with FIP. In more recent years, the vaccine has been found to be even less effective than 40%. My vet doesn’t even administer it any more. He thinks it will soon be pulled from the market, awaiting the development of a more effective vaccine.

    4. My brother’s dog’s death had nothing to do with Tigeranne’s death.

    I suppose it would be good for me to stop ruminating about what happened to Tigeranne’s body and fix my mind on her soul’s presence at the Bridge.

    In other news, Penny is eating canned food very happily, nibbling on the kibble if she gets hungry between meals, and not throwing up. If she does vomit again, she will have to go to the vet for a blood panel.

    #800380
    Buttons
    Moderator

    It’s great to hear penny is getting back to normal.. It was probably the stress that threw her..

    You are right about focusing on Tigeranne’s soul she happen in the meadow now and I bet she’s not wondering why she got there.. It takes a long time but it’s so much nicer to think of her happy than sick..

    #800458
    Kittyzee
    Participant

    Wonderful news about Penny! I just recently switched my kitties over to all wet food after reading a very long article I first found out about on this site. They have all lost weight (in a good way) and haven’t missed their kibbles at all. I do have a cat with a very sensitive stomach, she will yak at the drop of a hat, seriously. I worry about her but then she will go a long while without yakking. If she eats too fast she will do it too.

    Tigeranne is at peace, happy, content, washing her paws and watching birds. You WILL see Tigeranne again!

    #800459

    great news! hmmm maybe a special diet and some training can help ur yakky cat 🙂

    #800573
    Leeny
    Participant

    Pen yakked considerably very early Sunday morning. The man from the church who, with his wife, is clearing my home came over that evening to use my SpotBot to clean up the yakkage and show me how to use the machine. I found out that he looks upon it as a toy with which to play; he calls it “Mr. Kenny’s Car Wash.” Even after he showed me how to use it, he operated it more than I did.

    Pen was having what I think they call “dry heaving” this morning, but no yakkage resulted. I’ve called the vet and told them about it, but I’ll have to take her in late in the week. We’re under a winter storm warning from the middle of tomorrow morning to early afternoon the next day. Possible 2″ snow with another 1/2″ sleet. That doesn’t sound like much of a winter storm, but where I live it seldom snows, and we don’t have the equipment needed to deal with it. The Department of Transportation goes out and throws some sand on hills and bridges, and that’s about it. After they rule out or treat any underlying illnesses, we can look at the food that would be best for her.

    #800585
    Kittyzee
    Participant

    My cat Thumbalina will do that too Leeny. It is scary to watch because instead of just yakking, she WRETCHES. Her eyes bug out, her tongue comes out and she will do it over and over. She is always okay afterwards, but it scares the crap out of me. I have noticed that she does it if she has eaten leaves from plants. I have moved all of mine away from the cats and hung them up, and even grew cat grass….but if she eats the grass she does the same thing. I quit letting her have it. The other two eat it and it doesn’t bother them. She has not been sick since putting her on wet food, except once when she ate too fast, so I monitor her and slow her down first thing in the morning when feeding.

    Good luck on your awful weather, we are in the midst of it too with wind chills down in the -30!! Keep us posted on the food for Penny. I wonder if she might be eating stuff she shouldn’t like Thumbalina does.

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